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greetings and salutations

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uh tonight we are here at the apocalypse

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cabin

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and uh i gotta say today was a good day

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it has been uh freezing freezing cold

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here for weeks

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and i needed a couple of days to finish

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the cement work

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on the front portion of the uh

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sun room on the south side of the cabin

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that i've been building

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and uh i today got a day where it was 38

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which is better than 35 or below

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freezing so

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uh and it went fairly well

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today also thanks to the kind help of my

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uh neighbor matt uh who

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knows how to do everything he's like a

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contractor for a living

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so he uh when there's something here

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that i know is

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way beyond my skill level or knowledge

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or expertise

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i generally reach out to him and say

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please help me bro

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and he does uh he has

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actually uh put on the roof

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uh of this room this living room

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uh this cord wood living room uh he

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basically put the roof on i was just the

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monkey handing them up boards and stuff

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and uh i never did corrugated roofing

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in my entire life and in order to do the

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sun room

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we needed to do clear corrugated roofing

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um and there's something about that that

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made me very nervous

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never worked with any of anything like

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corrugated roofing

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in my entire life so uh i

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uh you know he knew what i was planning

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and just said yeah it's no problem

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you go get these sheets and you screw

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them and you know okay

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i didn't have any idea what i was doing

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so luckily thanks to him

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the entire roof is now on all that

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remains is

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we have to put a piece of aluminum uh

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sheeting

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or it's not trim

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i'm not sure what it's called but

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there's a piece of aluminum that covers

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the roof edge between the old roof

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and the new roof uh and that sort of

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goes in there

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i don't know uh until then the roof will

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leak from just that edge

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until we you know get that squared away

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but what uh just a weight off my

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shoulders that the roof is now

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on that building and all that remains is

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this front wall

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and uh i have these two huge windows and

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a door and a door frame that are going

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in that front wall so

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that takes up most of the space the

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front wall the rest is being filled with

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this cord wood

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uh edition uh a cord wood masonry you

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know

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just kind of like filling in the blanks

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with logs and mud

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uh where there's a blank space uh so

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that mostly finished today the cord

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um i have to do like two more it's gonna

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be like one more

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hour and then all the cord wood and that

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is done and i can't tell you how happy

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i'm about that because it appears as if

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i may tomorrow mix my last bag of cement

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for this cabin well not the last but you

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know there's a few spots and odds and

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ends that i got to go around and fix but

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that'll be one more so out of after

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i don't know 150 bags of mortar mix

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being hand mixed in a pail most of it

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hand mixed in a pail and now i'm

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mixing it in a wheelbarrow um i can't

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tell you how happy i

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am like i can see the light at the end

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of the tunnel i may only have two more

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bags of cement to mix

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and then i don't have to mix cement

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anymore and mixing cement has been a big

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portion of my life for about

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i don't know a year and a half now off

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and on with the exception of the summer

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um i did get a an electric mixer

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for a portion of that loaned to me uh

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but that made me nervous that i was

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gonna break it or

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you know and it really isn't much faster

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easier on your back to have the electric

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mixer so

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i went back to hand mixing but uh i

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can't tell you how happy i am like i'm

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soon done mixing cement

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i think so tonight we're going to be

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just talking about

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uh music and

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the art of songwriting and some concepts

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uh prague magic who has this concept

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audiomancy and is also very interested

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in psychoacoustics

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and i thought it would be interesting to

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just have that

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kind of discussion uh which is sort of

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off the beaten

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path for us uh

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but something that i thought is worthy

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of exploring

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one of the things that's always

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fascinated me about writing songs is

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uh my own personal curiosity of like

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where does this stuff come from i've

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always felt

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like uh and it's interesting that we

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just covered animal

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people who channel aliens because as far

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as songwriting is concerned

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i've really always thought that uh

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i don't write the songs the songs write

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themselves

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or were already written in some

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alternate universe

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and somehow get transmitted to me there

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have been times where i

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literally got an entire song just

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pop into my mind lyrics

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vocal melodies uh chords

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leads and i don't know where it came

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i just know that it popped in my head

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and i've woken up

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literally from a deep sleep in a jerk at

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times

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when this has happened to me and rushed

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for something to write it down on so i

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wouldn't lose it

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i've often thought that maybe songs are

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just channeled

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to the songwriter and uh

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you know i know a few people who sort of

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think the same way

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am i really writing anything or am i

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just channeling something from another

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i don't know intelligence because

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uh it seems to me like the harder that i

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try to write songs the worse they get

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the very best songs that i've ever

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written were just sort of like

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proof here they are and they're done

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and and and sort of effortless

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as far as writing them down or

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translating him into a recorded work

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uh so you know i thought we could have a

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guest who's also a songwriter and has

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interest in this sort of stuff and and

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we could just have a discussion about

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oh and uh just a a small bit of business

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but it is important

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somebody uh messaged me and mentioned to

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me because i missed it that cw channel

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was in the live chat at the last

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show and i was talking about this uh

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censorship and this stuff with uh

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john claude's channel getting deleted

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because of the guest

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that he had on and we were talking about

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this algorithm and things like that

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and cw channel did mention in the chat

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something like those are my talking

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points

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at least mention me or something like

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that and uh yeah he's absolutely right

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and i apologize and so shout out to cw

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channel

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all i can say is that i had watched him

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talk about these same things probably

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two days before i did

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and uh and and

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john claude also talked about the same

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sort of thing about how the algorithm

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know i had watched him that day so these

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things were on my mind

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um you know and uh so i you know i

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apologize i didn't

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intentionally try to you know take your

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talking points

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but the next time i'm in your live chat

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i'm going to send you a donation for

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uh both your legal defense fund and for

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a talking points licensing fee

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and i hopefully will be good for that so

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we did start just a little bit early and

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that was just to uh

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just because i could uh i'm never early

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i'm sometimes i this show starts and i

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have to put that

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we'll start we'll begin soon for five

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something is going wrong in the

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background or i'm trying to get a

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microphone working or something weird

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today everything worked out great and

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like i said so far i've been having a

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any day where there's progress when it's

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you know so freezing cold outside and

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there was snow all over the ground but

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managed to get through it so uh

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yeah right on the dot 8 pm i told him

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we'd start and here he is

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there he goes so

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keats ross how's it going thanks for

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having me

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yeah so i i wondered if you wanted to

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tell everybody a little bit about your

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background and how you got started with

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the whole

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songwriting thing because i think it's

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yeah see if i can surmise it quickly

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um basically i've always been musically

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inclined um

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my mother and father though divorced

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when i was like two

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uh were very musically oriented

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a dad that i had was a uh local

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dj at uh a nightclub in albuquerque so i

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was just around lps all the time

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oh that's interesting yeah like vast lps

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and we were kind of on the skids like i

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grew up in the barrio

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of like new mexico and arizona but my

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mom had a ghetto blaster

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and uh i remember those yeah

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how to record from the radio

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right and make mixes yeah remember when

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you used to do that like a song would

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come on the radio that you wanted and

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you'd have to

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run and get a tape and try to get it

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and so that's uh you know drums was my

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i was just rhythmically inclined at a

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and then uh soon you know i always

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wanted to play everything

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i basically always wanted to write music

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and so i would learn

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any instrument you know just by

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sheer need to write the songs that were

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in my head

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that's interesting so maybe you and i

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have a similar affliction and it's

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called this never-ending

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buzz that's constantly in your brain and

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you know i i mentioned to you i i did

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this crazy thing which is like to make a

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seven hour long concept

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album and my whole intention with that

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is to turn the buzz off or to get it all

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out of my head

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as much of it as possible and to see if

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my mind would silence and it did for a

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short time

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it was like whatever was going on in

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there was all out in the real world

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and it kind of like let up for a while

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but now it's starting again

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so it gave me a break for a while anyway

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though

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yeah i think tuning it off is a big deal

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it's the reason why

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i i do you know i every album i think

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that i've done has been a concept album

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of some sort it's a bit obsessive

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right like it can be very taxing

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yeah and i have to say i listened to

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this i listened to some of the

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two of them that you sent me and it

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seemed to me that yeah both of them were

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like concept albums

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and just by that that i mean that there

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was some thread

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between all of the songs or something

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that i s or maybe that was just my

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interpretation of them that they were

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somehow connected even though each song

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could stand on its own as just a single

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song

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they still had some connectivity between

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the two of them throughout the record

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and

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from when i was a kid you know i was

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always a kid with a tape recorder on me

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and i would just sing or play

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in this tape recorder and press the

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pause button

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after each you know entry and so when i

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like meditate on the tape at the end of

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the day it would all just flow together

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so that's really interesting that's a

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cool way to do it that's what i just

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think of

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when i create albums or whatever is just

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i just want them all to kind of merge

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as one you know that's not that's not

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easy to do

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yeah yeah it's like you have to i think

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that you've reached an advanced stage

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when you can do that effectively

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because you've gotten to the point where

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you can figure out like what a callback

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is

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or to like you know uh give some

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reference in the seventh song to what

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you said in the first song

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or sort of repeat yeah i

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uh i've always been deeply influenced by

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cinema

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so i think of them as film scores you

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know where doc

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like short documentarian film scores for

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slices of life and you know in your life

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well that's an interesting way to put it

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yeah

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thought of i've thought of those

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albums that i've made it's just like a

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film score from

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my life at the time you know like

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whatever's going on is going in there

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yeah you know yeah it's interesting too

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like

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uh how sometimes you'll listen to a song

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that you wrote when you were like

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in some sort of deep psychological pain

360
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but it's from years ago but you still it

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still cuts to hear that and remember

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what went into making that

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right oh yeah um is my volume okay i see

364
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that jeanette said i'm a little bit low

365
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i'll turn yeah you're a little bit low

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so if you turn yourself up a little bit

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i tried but this uh

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this thing wouldn't let me how's that

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there yeah now you're good

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okay uh yes so you you've been recording

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like uh for like many years now and

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and i guess we could talk about some of

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the processes that you use

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because i think that you're a lot like

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me in that you view the studio as

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another instrument

377
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right oh absolutely i mean i'm sitting

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here the reason when you put me on

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screen i

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stumbled because i've just got guitars

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and cassettes

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[\h__\h] everywhere yeah it sounds like me

383
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everywhere um

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where do you have where do you have kids

385
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and you gotta stack it all in one tiny

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little room so they don't destroy

387
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any of it it gets even worse yeah

388
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i um you know i think that

389
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what was i gonna say so i started

390
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recording analog like i said with

391
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cassette recorders that move to

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four track recording cassette tapes have

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always meant

394
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so much to me i started really

395
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experimenting with them

396
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it was actually um uh talking head

397
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stopped making sense vhs

398
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when i was a kid that i wore out like

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completely wore out burned through the

400
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tape

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and learned how to cut and splice the

402
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tape together

403
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oh that's interesting yeah i never i

404
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worked at an analog recording studio

405
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where they did that

406
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yeah but i never learned to do it and i

407
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was always fascinated

408
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like like that was right at the

409
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beginning where you could

410
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just do digital audio 8-bit digital

411
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audio on a computer and i could see that

412
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like

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i didn't want to learn that because i'm

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like pretty soon i'll be able to i'm i

415
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know i'm going to be able to cut and

416
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paste on a computer

417
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i don't want to do because that is so

418
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tedious they would literally

419
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like yeah they would literally like go

420
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okay

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uh this this lead over here was

422
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was the very best one but it's on an

423
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alternate take so we're just going to

424
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cut it off of that

425
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tape this real real they cut it off

426
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and then they cut the all the section on

427
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them like how do they know

428
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exactly where to put it you know like oh

429
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yeah and like to get

430
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,799
a big reverse snare sounds in the 80s

431
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that you hear all the time

432
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,960
yeah they used to lift them tape over

433
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actually and like you know use the

434
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reverse of that

435
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yeah reverse symbol was one of the

436
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biggest ones too that they would reverse

437
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a symbol you get that

438
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yep yeah yeah that's always protected so

439
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you started with the analog like me

440
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i i always thought though i was so

441
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fortunate to start

442
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and learn the way people did do it

443
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before going into digital do you know

444
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:29,760
what i mean like to learn how to

445
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use compressors and tube mic

446
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:36,799
preamps and effects echo boxes and all

447
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this kind of stuff

448
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,520
it was beneficial right so you had the

449
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same kind of a start

450
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yeah it's funny it was a pretty quick

451
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,440
transition too

452
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:47,679
because i was i was definitely the kid

453
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,720
making

454
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,960
you know bedroom opuses on a cassette

455
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,559
recorder in a bathroom

456
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,400
yeah me and my fortrex did the same

457
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:55,840
stuff yeah

458
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:00,320
and then um a family friend who actually

459
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:03,520
ended up helping me master my last album

460
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:07,600
um was like getting rid of their

461
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,240
mac computer and gave it to my father

462
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,760
who was doing some music and this is

463
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,440
like right when i moved in

464
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with my father uh right in beginning of

465
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,000
high school in southern california

466
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and he you know

467
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when he went to bed i would get on the

468
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,320
computer

469
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,640
and he had you know digital performer

470
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early

471
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,799
you know digital recording software

472
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and i just went mad with it like

473
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absolutely mad with it

474
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,720
yeah i understand that it's the same

475
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:39,200
kind of way yeah and was recording all

476
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the time i was even

477
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:44,640
on mp3.com at like 14

478
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like i was releasing albums on

479
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the first mp3 site where and that site

480
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:53,360
was great i loved it it was so cool

481
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:53,919
because you could

482
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remember that site yeah you could upload

483
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your

484
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:00,160
entire you know uh song list

485
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and they'd print a jewel case cd for you

486
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yeah so i was holding you know

487
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,880
cds that i created so yeah i just got

488
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addicted to that

489
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,720
especially the process but you know the

490
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finality of holding it in your hand and

491
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something

492
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,720
like tangible you know that's it that's

493
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interesting

494
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you know one thing that i've always done

495
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is i've tried to do the

496
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artwork for the album before it was

497
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,280
finished oh yeah and then i would print

498
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,960
it and put it in a jewel case

499
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right at the workstation in front of me

500
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where i was trying to finish it

501
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,320
that always motivated me but you're

502
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:36,960
right once that thing is on a cd

503
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:39,280
to me it feels real and even today like

504
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uploading to the internet

505
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,919
doesn't feel like it's real yet you know

506
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,919
it feels physical when you have the

507
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,200
physical cd

508
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,200
right yeah that's the communion i think

509
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,640
too when you when you think about

510
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,159
concepts and stuff

511
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,919
i love that practice because i've done

512
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that too where i'd even

513
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you know burn demos to a cd and have

514
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this

515
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,559
you know crappy printed out cover

516
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,960
in it and just to see what i'm building

517
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,080
and it's like building an

518
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altar to something that you're

519
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,600
manifesting or like

520
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,159
really creating and obsessing with yeah

521
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,080
that wasn't my idea to do that somebody

522
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,280
when i was having trouble

523
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,480
finishing my first real album well well

524
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:21,600
i'd say commercial album you know

525
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:24,799
uh i just couldn't stop myself

526
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,159
it was like no let me experiment with

527
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,679
this song for another month

528
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,159
you know he said no print out print out

529
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,600
the album cover

530
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,000
you know write out the lyrics do it all

531
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,679
and put it in front of you

532
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,679
and that'll drive you to and it did it

533
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:41,440
did because i kept looking at that going

534
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,400
i could finish this

535
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,640
in a matter of hours if i just let

536
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,159
myself stop

537
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,240
yeah messing with stuff right isn't that

538
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,559
a danger to though that you could just

539
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:53,039
yeah i was just going to say it's good

540
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,679
for i think

541
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:56,480
certain certain projects but you know

542
00:22:03,190 --> 00:21:57,039
i'm a

543
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,200
like the latest thing i'm working on is

544
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:05,679
a compilation for the art collective

545
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,120
we have people submitted tracks and

546
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,679
i'm creating like a sub album to tether

547
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,360
all the tracks together

548
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,200
but it keeps me away from being

549
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,039
obsessive about it being mine

550
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:19,280
right yeah so you're just a connective

551
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,080
tissue then

552
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,559
exactly yeah it's that film score thing

553
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,240
you know oh cool yeah maybe i'm gonna

554
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:25,360
try something like that

555
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:28,720
i did a bunch of uh compilation

556
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,200
uh both like uh on vinyl and on tapes

557
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,679
and then later on cds and i found that

558
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,919
process to be great because it's like

559
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,320
they want two songs and they gave me a

560
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,760
deadline

561
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:44,320
so i have to do the two songs and i have

562
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,960
to finish

563
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,679
them my problem early on was just

564
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,760
endless experimenting i was never happy

565
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,840
with anything and i was always like

566
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,480
let me let me get it uh you know take

567
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,159
these guitars out and try to record them

568
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:58,080
12 more times with 12 different pedals

569
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,320
and

570
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,919
you know that you know change the tempo

571
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:01,760
of the song 80 times

572
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,120
yeah yeah i know that true uh the last

573
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,240
actual group that i tried because i have

574
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,000
this incessant want to

575
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,120
have that clash feeling with the band

576
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,520
but i never can i'm just perennially

577
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,520
like the only person that's super into

578
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,720
it or

579
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,799
i'm back back from the studio alone

580
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,760
that's

581
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,000
is like one guy working his ass off and

582
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:25,919
four guys having a party

583
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,760
right and they got my experience largely

584
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,559
they got so annoyed with me when every

585
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:34,240
every time we'd rehearse or something

586
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:34,720
i'm

587
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,640
them they're like we have a show in two

588
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:40,640
days can you stop changing all this you

589
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,470
yeah i i i i don't know my experience

590
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,760
has been that like i just finally

591
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,640
admitted to myself like a few years ago

592
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:56,480
like i just work best by myself as like

593
00:24:04,549 --> 00:23:56,960
a

594
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,559
you

595
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,679
lead on this

596
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,960
because you know something i know

597
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,400
they'll bring something to it but it's

598
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,960
not like

599
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,320
they're not committed they don't have to

600
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,320
show up at a certain time that banned

601
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:17,919
thing is a nightmare

602
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,080
yeah it really is and you know there's

603
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,000
you know a big part of me this this

604
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,480
whole process is just the

605
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,440
i failed to find a better word than

606
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,520
spiritual but it's also you know such a

607
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:33,679
deep passion and a connective

608
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:37,279
tissue for me in the world that i can be

609
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,320
a bit

610
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,720
controlling or obsessive about oh i've

611
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:42,799
been told that myself

612
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,480
yeah so yeah

613
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,400
i had somebody quit and he posted all

614
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,919
over the internet that if he was

615
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,760
if you're going to join steve's band

616
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,440
here's how steve's band works

617
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,320
play what i say or you're fired yeah and

618
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,279
you know yeah

619
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,880
like i don't know like you know how

620
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,559
people will just play like chords that

621
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,480
have no place in the rest of the song or

622
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,679
something and i'd go no

623
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,320
like come on like you know it's dfg

624
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,679
that's the chords like

625
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,640
i don't know what the hell you're

626
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,600
playing over there so yeah i get it

627
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,840
i've spent my entire career trying to

628
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,679
tell drummers to stop doing

629
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:18,320
fills yeah that's why i like a drum

630
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,600
machine because yeah exactly

631
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,600
when you want one and when you don't you

632
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,159
just don't push it it's very simple

633
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,240
you know yeah yeah and like i'm very um

634
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:31,120
you know my partner is a as a an amazing

635
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,640
musician and

636
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,799
you know we work on stuff together but

637
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:36,880
it's very you know she's

638
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,760
it's her thing you know this is my thing

639
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,400
and that's just

640
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,840
that's just the way i work it's just

641
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,240
better that way you know

642
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,360
and like i was fine

643
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,279
what you know about the studio you know

644
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,799
that you don't need

645
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,640
to do that everything live and you don't

646
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,640
need to be in a band

647
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,559
you know but i do i do do everything

648
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:58,960
live pretty much on the records except

649
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,279
for

650
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,360
well no i guess that's true everything

651
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,320
live like even my sequencing the samples

652
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,600
or me my personal sound libraries of me

653
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,880
like hitting

654
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,080
wooden chairs boots on stairs

655
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,440
you know pots and pans you know

656
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,679
like early stuff for me i like when i

657
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,440
figured out how to sample stuff

658
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,200
i was just off to i was going through

659
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,760
the house like sampling pots pans

660
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:26,080
smash stuff whatever you know whatever

661
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,880
it could get

662
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,880
for weird percussion sounds and stuff

663
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:31,279
yeah yeah so there's an element that

664
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,600
like

665
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,400
everything is organic because i also use

666
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,520
uh

667
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,919
actually i have it right here it's this

668
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,360
uh

669
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,279
i got this from a church auction when i

670
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,520
was younger but it's this like

671
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,640
you know old school uh

672
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,039
cassette recorder that i use to record

673
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,600
the samples on and then i'll bring them

674
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:54,960
you know into the digital format

675
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,520
and mess them up but there's always this

676
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,720
like

677
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,720
firm contradiction that you know there

678
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:02,480
is there's a

679
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:05,520
vast organic feel to it you know but

680
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,080
yeah i

681
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,400
i commented on that on your music that

682
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,480
it sounded a lot more organic than mine

683
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:13,279
you know like i tend to i don't know i

684
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,159
think i tend to

685
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,360
use way too many fake things the last

686
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,039
project that i did though i tried to do

687
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,360
like more just bass drums and guitar

688
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:24,080
to get back to that because from here

689
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,559
from

690
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,919
after a while you just kind of get a

691
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:28,559
formula you know with synthesizers like

692
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,120
okay

693
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,799
here's the arpeggiated bass line

694
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,960
underneath the main bass line and you

695
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,600
know

696
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,000
i'm just getting away from that yeah

697
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,240
i've found it's you know it's by song

698
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,760
like uh i have a track on the last

699
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,360
record which is like

700
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,440
pretty bombastic and conceptual and

701
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,120
there's this song that's just

702
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,399
me singing with an acoustic guitar on a

703
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:51,600
tape recorder

704
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,039
so like to be able to be that vulnerable

705
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,640
though right right

706
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,679
over produce everything it's been

707
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:04,320
my yeah it's been my biggest struggle to

708
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,880
stop

709
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,919
obsessing over every little element

710
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,200
i just love the uh process so much

711
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,120
and it's like really helped me

712
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,720
psychologically

713
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,679
and again i i need to find a better word

714
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,120
but spiritually

715
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:22,080
you know yeah it's something i hold dear

716
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,640
yeah

717
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,159
i think you're right like every time

718
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,640
that i have been like

719
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,600
times in my life when i've been

720
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,000
extremely angry or upset about something

721
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,320
like music helped me like just exercise

722
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,520
that from me

723
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,039
getting out in the real world it was

724
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:37,840
like expunged

725
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,600
yeah yeah absolutely and you have uh

726
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,159
you know kind of interesting uh sort of

727
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,840
lyrical ideas too do you want to tell us

728
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:46,960
a little bit about

729
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,480
your approach to writing lyrics um

730
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,080
it's kind of all over the place i'm

731
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,799
usually pretty straightforward but

732
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,960
recently i've been getting into the idea

733
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,559
of glossolalia

734
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,640
or speaking in tongues when you demo

735
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,760
things

736
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,679
and just kind of letting the song flow

737
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,360
through you it'll be gibberish and then

738
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:07,760
you basically translate

739
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,640
those lyrics later and i find that holy

740
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,000
crap i'm

741
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,760
humming a different language that

742
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,159
actually has a narrative to it

743
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,919
well that's pretty interesting yeah yeah

744
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,679
i had the same kind of experience where

745
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
like i didn't have words yet but i got

746
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,520
the melody so i could sort of pop it out

747
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,440
just so i didn't lose the melody and you

748
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,760
fill in the flanks with the words later

749
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,600
exactly just getting you know just

750
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:31,760
getting that melody out but i find that

751
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,039
usually that initial gumption

752
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,919
or gusto for the song and you're belting

753
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,240
it you're singing it and it's demoing

754
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:42,399
like you should probably just hark on

755
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:43,360
that

756
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,960
you know so i cuz i could spend

757
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,600
i could sp just as i'm a writer too so

758
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,520
i'm like obsessive about

759
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,760
you know narrative structure and lyrics

760
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,960
and all of that

761
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,880
i'm probably more of a slob than you

762
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,960
then when it comes

763
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,559
all right well i'm not saying that i'm

764
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,159
good

765
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,399
you know it's so funny i i had a friend

766
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,840
that was

767
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:08,559
played with me for like a long long time

768
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:08,960
and then

769
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,480
fire their singer

770
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,159
and then so they wanted to bring me in

771
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,919
and they and i look at the songs and i

772
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,039
go

773
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:20,240
there's no [\h__\h] choruses in any of

774
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,200
your songs

775
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,880
and they're like what do you mean and

776
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,720
i'm like i'm sorry that i have to

777
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,559
explain this to you but there's no

778
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:27,840
choruses

779
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,760
songs and like

780
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,520
the fact that they didn't see that as a

781
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:35,440
problem to me was a problem because i'm

782
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,000
all for like

783
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,679
strange and progressive but you know i

784
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:39,679
do like the typical structure of like

785
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,080
verse

786
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:42,799
chorus or abc abc or you know this kind

787
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,440
of you know

788
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,440
sometimes and that's the thing like i i

789
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,200
have a wide

790
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,640
array of influences but i find to me

791
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,520
the like american song structure

792
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,799
structure vernacular

793
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:57,200
of songwriting like putting all of those

794
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,000
influences

795
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:01,440
in that is is more translatable

796
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,360
from where i am from and for what i do

797
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,159
so i definitely have some crazy

798
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:10,080
experimental stuff but i usually always

799
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:10,799
kind of

800
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:14,159
bring it back to you know something more

801
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,360
of a

802
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,440
you know like a blues or american

803
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,480
standard of songwriting

804
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,799
yeah i i'm sure that i have some songs

805
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,559
that don't go verse chorus verse or

806
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,080
don't have choruses but

807
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,600
they're few and far between and they're

808
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,919
like there was a reason for that song

809
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,360
not to have a chorus

810
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,519
exactly it was two minutes long and i

811
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,799
just had this

812
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,320
thing that i wanted to say and that was

813
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,919
it or or something but

814
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,840
to have it like a whole band and you

815
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,240
didn't know that there wasn't choruses

816
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,799
but it's funny they they decided not to

817
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:46,640
fire the singer and then they figured

818
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,960
out

819
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,960
i guess they told him like you have to

820
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,320
have choruses because now

821
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,440
then after that they did nothing else

822
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,080
yeah i helped him figure out that songs

823
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,279
need choruses

824
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,600
yeah which is another reason why i can't

825
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,600
be in bands because i i went to this

826
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,880
band and i'm like i

827
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,720
would yeah i'd like to play with my old

828
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,399
friend again but like

829
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,880
jesus christ what a mess this these guys

830
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,159
are they don't even know

831
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,480
that yeah they don't have choruses well

832
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,200
and you worked

833
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,679
like within the system system too so

834
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,720
like you're

835
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,279
you're very mired in and knowing

836
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,360
probably what works and what doesn't

837
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,799
yeah and i guess they're like years of

838
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,720
working in a recording studio too yeah

839
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,840
hundreds of different artists for court

840
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,080
so i guess i picked up on you know yeah

841
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,080
yeah exactly the hooks matter

842
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,919
you know so the ones that are successful

843
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,440
the most is

844
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,519
especially the hooks mattered you know

845
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,640
and that brings me to

846
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,720
like you know my obsession with the

847
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,080
psycho psychoacoustic nature

848
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,720
of it because it comes from everything

849
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:46,960
of yeah just kind of a translatable

850
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,480
reoccurring home along thing

851
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,960
you know and basically has a wide

852
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,640
inspiration rate

853
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,039
and there's even you get it's a deeper

854
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,559
psychoacoustic things there's

855
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,600
this trick i heard that a lot of pop

856
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,240
songs

857
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,600
have a subtle 5k frequency throughout

858
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:06,960
the entire song

859
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,240
absolutely yeah i've seen it done and

860
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:12,799
i've also seen brainwaves synchronized

861
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:15,679
i have software that that that will take

862
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,919
in

863
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,640
any audio file guitar track a drum track

864
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,600
and it will

865
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,840
do something to it and it's called

866
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,080
brainwave synchronizer

867
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:26,080
and uh and i can hear the difference

868
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,120
when i you know

869
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:29,440
when i really really listen to it yeah

870
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:30,320
this is doing

871
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,159
something you know yeah and like uh

872
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,919
you know you i've seen that you on your

873
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,200
patreon and stuff do

874
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,679
like binaural beats and yeah that sort

875
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,519
of thing how's that process

876
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,120
because i've i've worked with it before

877
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,279
but within the kind of a

878
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:48,080
i hate to use the term pop but like in a

879
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,120
song structure

880
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,120
you know yeah i've not tried to put it

881
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,559
into like a typical

882
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,279
song but what i when i discovered these

883
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,440
binaural beats like years and years ago

884
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,360
it was like the first digital audio

885
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,760
programs were just becoming available

886
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,159
and uh and i read an article about how

887
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,440
to do that

888
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:08,159
in an electronic music magazine how to

889
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,440
offset the tones

890
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,839
so that this would be a theta this would

891
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,720
be the beta

892
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:16,000
right and and at first i said this can't

893
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,480
work

894
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,800
and then i made some of them and i found

895
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,399
that it worked and then after a while i

896
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:22,000
figured out how i could make them more

897
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:22,800
effective

898
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,560
and it's been uh to me it's like

899
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,839
if today for example you know i gotta i

900
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,919
gotta really concentrate and get some

901
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,639
things done

902
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,480
so i listened to one of the tracks for

903
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,399
that you know to get me in the right

904
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,599
sort of brain state

905
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,919
to go and get some things done to really

906
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,599
focus and concentrate

907
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,359
and i think it helped because i had a

908
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,119
great day today and i noticed the days

909
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,960
that i don't do that or take the time to

910
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,000
do that

911
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,359
aren't as good yeah i mean to me

912
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:54,079
you know sonic meditation is pretty much

913
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,040
everything and that's where the

914
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,280
audiomancy thing comes in

915
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,880
you know but that's going to ask you

916
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,400
about you have this concept called

917
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,560
audiomancy can you explain it in simple

918
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,839
terms so even

919
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,000
dumb monkeys like me can understand this

920
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:08,320
well it's basically like a metaphysical

921
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:09,359
practice

922
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:13,040
of uh creating and inspiring

923
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,200
music um using music

924
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,320
and sound and different techniques

925
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,599
to conjure these things you know so it's

926
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,240
like an experimental form of

927
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,400
uh you know songwriting but that's

928
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,320
that's the dumbest way i could put it

929
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:33,520
you know well that's that's pretty

930
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,400
simple though

931
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,480
yeah i thought that you were bri also

932
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,920
bringing some ideas

933
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,079
from you know like the metaphysical or

934
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,839
magic ceremonial

935
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:44,160
into making music and i've never thought

936
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:44,880
about that

937
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,920
so like to me that's interesting

938
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:50,640
yeah you know when it came to my

939
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,920
obsession with analog tape there was

940
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,000
i've had a lot of paranormal experiences

941
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:57,520
and a lot of them

942
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,040
through my uh experimentation with quote

943
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,640
unquote audiomancy

944
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,200
which is a term that i cribbed from a

945
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:06,480
portland writer

946
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:10,720
um actually i have this book right here

947
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:14,240
uh so ezra sanzer bell wrote these two

948
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:14,960
books

949
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,160
called uh astro music and audiomancy and

950
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,160
my audiomancy is different it's just

951
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,760
more of like a generic

952
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,839
term you know for this kind of

953
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,560
experimentation

954
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:29,280
and uh because he has it related to like

955
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,320
music theory

956
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,760
being equated to astrology and stuff and

957
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,520
that's that's not what i mean

958
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,240
when i'm doing it um but they're

959
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:40,480
different practices their meditations

960
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,800
their you know chants their isolation

961
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:47,200
oriented kind of trans-dimensional

962
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,400
wayfaring

963
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,520
with with songs and with analog tape a

964
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,640
lot

965
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,000
well it sounds sounds like an

966
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,920
interesting experiment sonic experiments

967
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,480
to me

968
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,599
and i'm open to that kind of thing like

969
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,280
i once got a bunch of drunk people to

970
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:03,200
come into the studio and just scream on

971
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,160
us all

972
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,000
right there was a bunch of drunk people

973
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,079
outside of the studio yeah

974
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,320
drinking and like carrying on i'm like

975
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:11,440
bring them in here

976
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:14,480
i love it get them in the booth yeah let

977
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,800
them

978
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:18,160
know

979
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,160
yeah and just finding those earnest um

980
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:24,880
really

981
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,640
kind of beautiful sudden hits of you

982
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,920
know that's why i always

983
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,160
had a tape recorder with me you know now

984
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,680
in this day and age with

985
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,440
you know the phones where they are it's

986
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,640
it's so much easier but i still prefer

987
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,440
you know just magnetic tape kind of i

988
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,480
was that nerdy

989
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,880
person going out to the woods and you

990
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:46,480
know recording rain

991
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,079
or you know just right there

992
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,920
because sometimes we have these crazy

993
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,160
crate we're way high up in the mountains

994
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,000
so sometimes we have these crazy

995
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,839
lightning storms where you can hear

996
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:00,800
like all these the crackling electricity

997
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,200
in the

998
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,400
air even you know and like and yeah

999
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,640
the crash of the thunder and the wind

1000
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,079
and the through the trees

1001
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,119
and i've put that on songs yeah exactly

1002
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,839
especially it's especially cool when it

1003
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,200
when that kind of thing happens right

1004
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,880
when you're recording a song so then i

1005
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,960
go let's go out get a mic outside

1006
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,839
let's put a mic outside because it's

1007
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,160
capturing a moment that's going to go

1008
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,720
right into the song oh god when i was in

1009
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:29,040
the pacific northwest that was the

1010
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,560
just a treasure trove of

1011
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,079
you know fauna and uh you know flora

1012
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,680
yeah just singing all the time and

1013
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,240
yeah i really enjoyed it and that's what

1014
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,240
got me when i was documenting those

1015
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,200
things

1016
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,200
it made me realize like oh i could

1017
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,040
translate this in a way through like my

1018
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,119
meditations and so when i was a kid i

1019
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:53,760
used to meditate to the tapes i made

1020
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,960
and i would like

1021
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,359
out of body experience you know

1022
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:01,680
skyrocket into different

1023
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,760
realms and ideas whether it was just a

1024
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:08,560
you know an inward subconscious practice

1025
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,880
or

1026
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,599
it's an actual you know i'm traversing

1027
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:13,680
the collective unconscious

1028
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,280
i change my mind every day

1029
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,280
well i can't blame you for that yeah

1030
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,119
yeah but um

1031
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,480
you know and so ascribing like

1032
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,599
these sounds to

1033
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,960
like a deep meditation it took me to

1034
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,480
there was a point where

1035
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,839
i had a funny little crooked

1036
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,400
pantry room in my last house in portland

1037
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:39,839
and i put a

1038
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,599
mattress in there brought a guitar amp

1039
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,280
had my marantz cassette player

1040
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,760
and would just record on cassette me

1041
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,560
strumming

1042
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,440
and meditating or hitting drums and

1043
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:55,200
meditating and then

1044
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,119
started chanting and i'd find later

1045
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,920
that there's instances where i would

1046
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,280
envision

1047
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:06,079
you know something as radical as like a

1048
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:06,800
beast

1049
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,720
like a werewolf like trickster figure

1050
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,280
um which is you know it's probably my

1051
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,960
obsession with the coyote and trickster

1052
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:16,160
mythology

1053
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:20,800
but it was so descript and later in my

1054
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:23,839
kind of occult studies i'd find this

1055
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,200
zoroastrian beast uh

1056
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,160
you know described the same way and the

1057
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,640
name of the beast was the jerush

1058
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,640
and i listened back to the tape and i

1059
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,119
was like chanting drew's

1060
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:39,440
through the screws that's a little

1061
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,240
freaky

1062
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,280
yeah so you know there's

1063
00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:46,560
i've i've had it's cool in a way

1064
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,359
that i think it's my way to

1065
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,200
transdimensionally wayfair right it's

1066
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,680
like my way to

1067
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,359
uh experience these other worlds or

1068
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,040
translate things or

1069
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,960
you know uh go deep into the

1070
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,319
subconscious

1071
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:05,520
and it's something that's ever-growing

1072
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,760
so i'm still you know experiencing

1073
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:13,040
things like that but when it comes to

1074
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,160
finding retroactively that i might have

1075
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,680
you know had foresight for something

1076
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,720
that i otherwise didn't know at the time

1077
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,560
that's when things get freaky and i

1078
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,560
start questioning things

1079
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,160
i've never had that sort of experience

1080
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,880
well i've had like strange deja vu where

1081
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,760
and then

1082
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,280
i guess i've had a few times where i've

1083
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,119
dreamt something and then it happened

1084
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,800
and then you get the deja vu feeling

1085
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,319
while it's happening and then you

1086
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,480
realize you dreamt it or something yeah

1087
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,400
and there's something yeah that's like

1088
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,599
to me the the

1089
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,359
it is like reaching that hypnagogic

1090
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,280
state but it's also

1091
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,280
like it's important for me in my

1092
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,800
practice to have something

1093
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,079
like physically churning because it kind

1094
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,440
of keeps your

1095
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,920
like butt on the ground so you don't

1096
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,880
really lose yourself like too much or it

1097
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,960
doesn't get too wacky so if i'm

1098
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:07,200
you know just playing kind of discordant

1099
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,240
chords

1100
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,119
for hours recording this with tape loops

1101
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,480
and stuff

1102
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,680
like i can hit these things but not lose

1103
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,680
myself completely because it could it

1104
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,119
could be maddening

1105
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,560
i i imagine that yeah i could imagine

1106
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,440
yeah yeah so it's just uh it's an

1107
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:27,280
ongoing process and you know i talk

1108
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,000
about

1109
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,200
like my audio mancy is very customized

1110
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,359
it's not something i would say

1111
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,280
i want to sh i want to share it with the

1112
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:37,119
world and say this is what i experienced

1113
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,160
and this is what i do

1114
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:41,440
it's not really like a how-to um

1115
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,119
because i'm terribly sick of how to

1116
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,470
yeah aren't most of them are how-to

1117
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,760
books right

1118
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,520
yeah and i'm more of an experiential

1119
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:55,520
person and you know this is

1120
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:58,880
or you know like a journalist um

1121
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,560
about my experiences with it so

1122
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,240
it's yeah it's it's been quite

1123
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:05,599
incredible and it's it's

1124
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,040
really garnered a lot of uh

1125
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:12,079
satisfying things it's also a way you

1126
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,880
know

1127
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:16,079
i have a lot of

1128
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:21,520
mental divergence and it's been a way to

1129
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:25,200
kind of calm those storms focus

1130
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:29,040
you know uh keep the soul in that bay

1131
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,119
sort of thing absolutely i told you

1132
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,240
with me it's been like like especially

1133
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,680
if i'm feeling bad

1134
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,560
or i'm feeling angry to me like channel

1135
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,640
it into this and just get it out of you

1136
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,480
and then you'll feel better and i always

1137
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,800
do so i i for one hope that i always

1138
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,319
have something like music to channel

1139
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,119
it into because oh yeah and i was an

1140
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
angry young man i would have ended up in

1141
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,480
prison or worse

1142
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,160
me too but yeah

1143
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:01,760
yeah yeah yeah so you mentioned though

1144
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,119
about getting like sort of this this uh

1145
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,119
meditative you know getting into the

1146
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,319
right space

1147
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,160
are there things that you do to get into

1148
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,079
a creative space before you try to begin

1149
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,599
to write like let's say you had a blank

1150
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,520
canvas tomorrow that you had to begin a

1151
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,640
brand new song

1152
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,400
is there some certain rituals that you

1153
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,870
i would say first of all like i i just

1154
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,760
listen to the intuition if i if i want

1155
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:29,040
to pick up a guitar i'll pick up the

1156
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,560
guitar there's not going to be any pomp

1157
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,560
and circumstance about it you know

1158
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,680
but for the other things like there is

1159
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,680
intention there is ritual

1160
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,240
to it you know there's you know that

1161
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:42,480
there's there's different ritual

1162
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,560
like praxis of like cleansing the body

1163
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,599
you know shutting out uh the world

1164
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,640
kind of helps my

1165
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,200
studio in the city it had one door in

1166
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,359
and no windows

1167
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,480
yeah that's the best nothing no windows

1168
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,240
nothing when you're in that studio you

1169
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
are like in a spaceship

1170
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,920
you're totally isolated from the rest of

1171
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,480
the sound was isolated too because you

1172
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,079
couldn't

1173
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,839
you you could barely hear unless there

1174
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,359
was like a drummer in there really

1175
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,720
wailing you couldn't really hear it

1176
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,079
outside of the studio and we couldn't

1177
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:17,839
hear anything going on outside

1178
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:21,119
inside the studio so i like that idea of

1179
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,440
just

1180
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,599
encapsulating yourself that's probably

1181
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,960
why i like this cabin too

1182
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,680
because i can write here and like the

1183
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,760
the real world does not exist here

1184
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,920
i am terribly jealous the cabin's

1185
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,359
looking great

1186
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:36,000
yeah it's going pretty good like i had

1187
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,960
three weeks of

1188
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,720
barely any progress on that sunroom but

1189
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,079
i think i'm gonna finish it up

1190
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,000
the front wall tomorrow and the roof's

1191
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,680
on it now so like

1192
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,400
and that is a huge huge thing because

1193
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,640
the winners here are so bad that that

1194
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,400
is going to be one big solar thermal

1195
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,640
oven right feeding the rest of the cabin

1196
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,000
heat all day

1197
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,119
so uh yeah looking forward to it

1198
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,280
and the side benefit is i guess i can

1199
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,119
grow plants and stuff in there but

1200
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,640
we'll see what happens it's a little

1201
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,240
greenhouse of sorts

1202
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,079
yeah it's like yeah it's like a big

1203
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,920
greenhouse room next to the

1204
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,319
main cabin so we're attached to it

1205
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,680
really so

1206
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,520
yeah i've seen your updates on twitter

1207
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,040
and i'm just like damn

1208
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:18,240
like steven's got it figured out not

1209
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,720
really

1210
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:21,280
i have no idea what i'm doing but yeah

1211
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,240
but surely like

1212
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,240
rooms are just popping out of the earth

1213
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,280
here

1214
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,599
and and are slowly becoming habitable

1215
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,280
and it is kind of a miracle because i'm

1216
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,640
really built into everything out of

1217
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,640
trees and trash that whole sunroom all

1218
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,160
we bought was

1219
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,560
the cement mix and the roof panels

1220
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,760
everything else the windows the doors

1221
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:42,000
everything else was free or trash picked

1222
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,200
or like

1223
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,079
you know you were like explaining my

1224
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,079
musical process right now

1225
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,760
oh yeah you're picking things out of the

1226
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,359
chat i picked things out of the trash

1227
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,119
one of my favorite things is like if i

1228
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,880
find a keyboard in the trash

1229
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,960
exactly i'm so happy i don't care if

1230
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,319
it's like a 50

1231
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,640
kids shitty old yamaha keyboard because

1232
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:02,240
if you hook enough distortion pedals up

1233
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,520
to it it's going to sound interesting

1234
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,520
and i can use it for one track

1235
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,920
i got obsessed with this guy his name is

1236
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,200
reed gazala

1237
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,200
when i was oh yeah circuit bending right

1238
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,880
yep you and i

1239
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,640
what's it like i've got a bunny and i've

1240
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:16,240
got a bunch of bent stuff

1241
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,000
oh i love it yeah my alien instrument

1242
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,920
i can't wait until my kids get a little

1243
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,520
older and stop playing with all their

1244
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,040
little musical instruments because

1245
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:26,559
they're all going to get bent

1246
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,920
exactly yeah yeah

1247
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,440
and for those that don't know circuit

1248
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,440
bending is a process of taking like a

1249
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,400
little

1250
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,440
musical keyboard and you take it apart

1251
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,760
and then you get some wire leads and you

1252
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,640
purposefully

1253
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:43,280
short circuit different connections till

1254
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,760
it

1255
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,000
affects the sound and then you add a

1256
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,760
switch if you find a good one and then

1257
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,640
before you know it you have this

1258
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,839
keyboard with 25 glitch switches on it

1259
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:54,240
that all do different things and [\h__\h] up

1260
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,040
the sound

1261
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,960
and it's just it is the best right

1262
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:58,079
there's like some weird

1263
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,309
that stuff but i haven't yet i wanted to

1264
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,160
make a whole record just with ben

1265
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,880
instruments yeah there's been there's a

1266
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,480
there's a group out of uh

1267
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,440
washington they were in a group called

1268
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:14,880
mock it and i think they're

1269
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,319
called uh

1270
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,839
octagon or something like that anyway uh

1271
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
the main guy he circumvents everything

1272
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,720
every instrument you hear he's even like

1273
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:30,079
got machine robotics for like literal

1274
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:31,760
analog drums

1275
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,480
like drum machines pulleys like

1276
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:39,200
and you know it's all like in conductors

1277
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,480
switches and

1278
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,400
and all that it's just it's the coolest

1279
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,480
thing and i got really into that when i

1280
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,599
was in high school and

1281
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:48,000
i've carried that with me you know

1282
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,800
through because

1283
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,559
i've always been a tinkerer i mean

1284
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:52,400
obviously with like the cassette tapes

1285
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,960
and

1286
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,160
yeah the same way it's like yeah

1287
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,599
it wasn't i mean uh i'm sure if somebody

1288
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,440
gave me like a four thousand dollar

1289
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,960
keyboard workstation with

1290
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,720
thousands of sounds that i and a

1291
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,280
sequencer on it i would have used it but

1292
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,200
i was always happier with like a bunch

1293
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,280
of trash and like let's play with it

1294
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,559
and see yeah as a poor kid growing up

1295
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,400
like all i had was

1296
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,200
trash you know what i mean like guitars

1297
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,520
with terrible action or

1298
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:24,079
you know four tracks with two channels

1299
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:24,960
not working

1300
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:28,559
and it's like you become uh

1301
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,559
you know you become uh very

1302
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,280
intuitive with with things when you have

1303
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,359
all these problems or confines

1304
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,599
yeah you know you're like i know what i

1305
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,040
want so i'm gonna

1306
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,280
anybody can make a 3 000 guitar sound

1307
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,440
good on a song tried doing that like 150

1308
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,720
dollar sears guitar

1309
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:49,040
you know exactly yeah and i feel to this

1310
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,720
day like uh

1311
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:53,200
like this guitar here i'm writing songs

1312
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:54,559
it's only got

1313
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,510
it's really influenced by the uh b-52s

1314
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,800
guitarist

1315
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,559
uh rick was it rick nelson

1316
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,680
i think so rick wilson yeah yeah

1317
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,319
and he he would take his actually i have

1318
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:15,680
a

1319
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:23,839
strings out so he could do

1320
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,720
both bass and treble you know without it

1321
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,920
being like a

1322
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,680
like he could basically play the piano

1323
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,119
on on a guitar

1324
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,280
and i've always like you know been

1325
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,960
obsessed with that so

1326
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:37,599
the last record i did the acoustic i

1327
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:38,319
wrote on

1328
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:42,000
is my really shitty you know acoustic i

1329
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,710
i used to live in a neighborhood in

1330
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,800
philly and coincidentally anything that

1331
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,839
you wanted

1332
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
cost exactly how much crack cost and at

1333
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,400
the time crack was ten dollars

1334
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
so you could get anything you needed for

1335
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:04,319
ten dollars you could get a television

1336
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,559
an

1337
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:07,599
air conditioner a guitar right tell them

1338
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,000
what you

1339
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,800
what they'll go find it an electric

1340
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:11,440
drill

1341
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:15,359
yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah but uh

1342
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,960
so i'm still like i s you know i

1343
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:21,119
this the the baritone i showed you is

1344
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,000
kind of my main

1345
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:24,800
thing and but i frankensteined it you

1346
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,200
know

1347
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,400
i uh changed the top two tuners of it so

1348
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,280
i can actually put

1349
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,920
bass strings on the top so i've never

1350
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,040
heard anything

1351
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,400
that's crazy baritone yeah so

1352
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,960
you know my my whole idea with with

1353
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,520
living

1354
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,160
is to customize everything like i just

1355
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,480
want to live in a world that i create

1356
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,160
yeah i know something about that

1357
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,000
as you're doing you know with the cabin

1358
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,599
with your music with

1359
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,240
you know truth seekers like you get it

1360
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,440
and yeah it

1361
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:58,640
boils down to everything you know

1362
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:02,480
boils down to every little tool um

1363
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:06,079
you know sigilizing things and

1364
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:10,720
yeah it's uh no one would want the stuff

1365
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,440
i owned

1366
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,040
and that's by purpose you know

1367
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,599
i have a few i have a few good really

1368
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,040
good musical instruments

1369
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,520
and that's it and uh and and one was

1370
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,440
like given to me by close friends so

1371
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,160
like yeah

1372
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,200
so like i have a gibson studio and

1373
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:29,359
i would never buy one but god damn it i

1374
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,240
love that thing

1375
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,720
yeah that's what i record with when i

1376
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
actually get up off my ass and record

1377
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,680
guitars myself but

1378
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,640
i'm a really shitty guitar player so

1379
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,079
generally i'll just record

1380
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,880
the tracks and then get a real guitar

1381
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,079
player

1382
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,319
when i'm done you know fix this [\h__\h]

1383
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,280
scratch tracks

1384
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,720
yeah yeah yeah my uh my partner's got a

1385
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,920
beautiful martin

1386
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,319
you know she's you know she coils all

1387
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,200
her cords beautifully and

1388
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,400
everything's in its right place

1389
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,160
i admire people that are organized

1390
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:03,599
because i'm a member

1391
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,040
yeah me too i have this yearning

1392
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,400
to be organized you know but

1393
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:13,040
someday yeah yeah someday we'll get

1394
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,599
there

1395
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:16,800
but it's also like an organization of

1396
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,309
metal machine music oh yeah of course i

1397
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,160
have yeah a lot worse than it sounds and

1398
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,870
now i love it when people tell me about

1399
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,119
that because i'll listen to that tonight

1400
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,319
and you know what's funny i just got a

1401
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:37,760
rack system for the

1402
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,200
studio or for the uh for the cabin here

1403
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,839
like a rack stereo system and i'm so mad

1404
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,040
because i forgot the

1405
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,319
speakers i brought the whole stereo

1406
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,680
i didn't go back in the house and get

1407
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:51,280
the speakers but i have some other

1408
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,319
speakers here i might hook that up

1409
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,480
tonight so

1410
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,960
yeah i'm gonna fix my i got a reel to

1411
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:57,760
reel

1412
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,280
um like months ago and it's just like

1413
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,960
sitting in the closet because i gotta

1414
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,839
i gotta take time to tinker with it and

1415
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,200
that will

1416
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:10,160
up the ante majorly from you know my

1417
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:10,960
cassette

1418
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,640
stuff if i can you know etch my sigils

1419
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,559
and reel the real tape and

1420
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,880
the multi-track reel to real taper yes

1421
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,839
yeah

1422
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,040
first learned at a friend's studio who

1423
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,040
had an eight track

1424
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,400
tascam an exact big big mixer and then

1425
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,319
later he got aid that's so eventually

1426
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,240
went up to 24 tracks and it was like

1427
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,760
16 tracks on the a dad and eight tracks

1428
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,960
yeah yeah and we used to submit some

1429
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,440
stuff

1430
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,200
you know like he submits all the drums

1431
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,960
down to two tracks while it's being

1432
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,799
recorded when when he started when we

1433
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,319
were just eight tracks but i was like

1434
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,680
amazed at what you could get on eight

1435
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:49,280
tracks if you're crafty about it you

1436
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,000
know

1437
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,000
exactly yeah and that was the thing

1438
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,760
that's what i we were talking about just

1439
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,119
the struggle

1440
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,200
and the materials you have i think

1441
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,599
really allows passion to

1442
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,599
you know find its process and its

1443
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,880
meditative nature

1444
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,280
you know broken four tracks in a

1445
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,160
bathroom

1446
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,839
where i'd have to figure out how to flip

1447
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:09,760
tapes and bounce

1448
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,880
different tracks just like four

1449
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,599
things you know yeah i remember four

1450
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,880
truck cassettes and they were pretty

1451
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,240
shitty though i didn't like it

1452
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,319
because because i was sequencing stuff

1453
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,839
on my computer so then

1454
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,760
when i dumped the computer sequence that

1455
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,040
was two tracks

1456
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,559
and then obviously that doesn't leave a

1457
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,400
lot for everything else like vocals

1458
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,440
guitars bass

1459
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,960
like so then i would bounce stuff and

1460
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,440
then it would sound like [\h__\h]

1461
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,400
exactly is terrible i i listened to uh

1462
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,079
four track demo that i did

1463
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,000
i found when i was moving and i was like

1464
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:41,839
oh my god

1465
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:45,119
you know everybody's so so spoiled now

1466
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,920
with digital

1467
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,319
like you know i remember when i first

1468
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,079
when i first figured out that like

1469
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,079
i could get like a hundred tracks on my

1470
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:53,839
computer with no

1471
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:56,720
stopping stuttering slowing down you

1472
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,040
know

1473
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,280
talking about 100 pristine

1474
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,520
perfect quality tracks well [\h__\h] and

1475
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,119
[\h__\h] out but if you do a good job

1476
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,599
getting the stuff in exactly that's

1477
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:10,000
amazing compared to where you start with

1478
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:10,480
like

1479
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,079
i'm influenced just as much

1480
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,319
by like you know lou barlow and sebado

1481
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,160
and like daniel johnston

1482
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:21,680
and the whole outsider like art

1483
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,359
uh lo-fi kind of movement that was

1484
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:28,079
you know privy in the 90s and so there's

1485
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,960
just like a

1486
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,040
time and a place for that kind of broken

1487
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,960
sound and like i said i think it

1488
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,760
it needs to match the song you know

1489
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:36,559
that's why

1490
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,599
you know i i just i put that demo

1491
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,160
on that last record of just me you hear

1492
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,280
all the tape hiss

1493
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,000
yeah yeah i remember when i started my

1494
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,520
studio and it was all digital like

1495
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,520
hearing so many guys go oh man

1496
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,920
you gotta have tapes because tape warped

1497
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:54,799
and i'm like no

1498
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,000
that's called hiss yeah if you want i

1499
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,079
could just add a hiss track underneath

1500
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,920
your track once we get it all perfect

1501
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,480
and

1502
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,880
cd quality crystal clear i'll just add a

1503
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,880
[\h__\h] history here too

1504
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,480
but guys like that because it kind of

1505
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:10,000
muddies the waters too

1506
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,680
you know it's true there's like a

1507
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,440
there's a sibilance

1508
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,319
like downer to it and like the lows are

1509
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,440
never too low

1510
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,920
the highs are never too high it just

1511
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,760
makes it swampy

1512
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,720
and like i said if it works like that

1513
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,880
song needed to be swampy in a way or

1514
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,160
distant you know it needed to sound like

1515
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,480
it was a person sitting on the edge of

1516
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:34,799
their bed playing a song

1517
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,000
instead of like all the boom bap you

1518
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,000
know crazy stuff yeah

1519
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,200
perfect quality and yeah

1520
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:45,680
yeah yeah i kind of got back myself it's

1521
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,400
like

1522
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,760
i'm just going to do a couple of songs

1523
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,200
where there's not going to be any

1524
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,200
backing vocals or anything like that

1525
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,040
i'm just going to sing a song and then

1526
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,599
and then but then i found like oh

1527
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:58,000
now i have to really sing this one track

1528
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,119
really good

1529
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:01,760
you know right because it's a lot easier

1530
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:02,480
when you have

1531
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,400
16 vocal backing tracks

1532
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,520
especially when you get into the

1533
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,680
subliminals because you can mix

1534
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,440
things very low where it's almost

1535
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,440
imperceivable to most people but it's

1536
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:14,960
still helping the main

1537
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,920
vocal you know that's the funny thing to

1538
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,119
find about writing

1539
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,599
like i've been more drawn to the more

1540
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,599
organic nature of writing where like i

1541
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:25,839
just want to get really good

1542
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:28,880
with vocals and an instrument being

1543
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,000
live right and then dump all the stuff

1544
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,160
because i used to as a person that plays

1545
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,079
all the instruments and does everything

1546
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,720
i used to write in a way that was you

1547
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,359
know uh

1548
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:42,559
non-linear you know i would like

1549
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:49,109
until you put it all together right yeah

1550
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,160
so this guy

1551
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,680
it's much harder to just sit there with

1552
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,599
an acoustic guitar or piano and

1553
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,240
write a whole song like that's hard but

1554
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,520
i'm trying that now

1555
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,760
and i'm having some success some success

1556
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,280
with it

1557
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,559
to me that's like the perfect kind of

1558
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,559
where we are in the world you know

1559
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,200
without saying too much about this

1560
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:12,160
or feel that we're going through life

1561
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:12,799
yeah you're

1562
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,040
all on the edge of a bed you know yeah

1563
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:20,000
it feels like or playing a guitar

1564
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,880
playing a bed

1565
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,480
but yeah and you're right i don't like

1566
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,680
to talk about these things but i just

1567
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,280
found out that my state's getting all

1568
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,640
locked down again for three

1569
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,760
sorry and uh but it's not gonna affect

1570
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,960
me because the things that you're

1571
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,000
shutting down i've

1572
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,760
i haven't done since march i haven't

1573
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,359
eaten in a restaurant since march i

1574
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,079
haven't gone anywhere but home depot

1575
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,799
and the beer store and the cabin that's

1576
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:41,119
it

1577
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,400
like

1578
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
uh you know and you have that constant

1579
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,119
fear porn of like

1580
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,920
cases rising hospitals and this and that

1581
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,200
yeah so i try to not

1582
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,359
watch the news because i just think this

1583
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,319
too will pass

1584
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,520
it's gonna be a few short months

1585
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,440
hopefully everyone will get this

1586
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:04,079
you know a few short months from now i

1587
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,040
think things

1588
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,960
will begin to be much different i'm

1589
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:08,559
hopeful well we

1590
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:11,920
you know we just moved here um

1591
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,000
i think a year ago this or last month

1592
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,040
and i got involved

1593
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,240
with uh a local venue

1594
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,079
and i was running live sound i was

1595
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,920
booking i was bartending

1596
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:28,079
things were popping up we opened march

1597
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,280
13th

1598
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,079
our first show and then the next day it

1599
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,920
was closed indefinitely

1600
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,480
yeah that's rough yeah yeah how many

1601
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,160
camera friends i have that are like

1602
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:41,200
really really really in a bad mood and

1603
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,079
as well they sure

1604
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,440
because a lot of them haven't worked

1605
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,520
since march so you know what do you

1606
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,520
do especially some of these guys like

1607
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:49,119
that's been their livelihood for 20

1608
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,599
years

1609
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,599
you know it's kind of hard for them to

1610
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,920
go well i'll go work at a supermarket

1611
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,920
until this blows over or whatever you

1612
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,200
know yeah

1613
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,240
i was on uh i was with uh

1614
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,240
jiggy and smoke king on paranormal hood

1615
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,599
last night and

1616
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,480
you know jiggy was talking about uh his

1617
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:08,319
security work you know he's been doing

1618
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,119
that for

1619
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:12,319
20 plus years and it's

1620
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:16,079
gone yeah like it's it's insane

1621
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:19,599
to comprehend the economic duress

1622
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,960
that most of us are going through yeah i

1623
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,000
haven't had

1624
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:27,599
right so

1625
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,119
uh you know but you just kind of

1626
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,119
i guess adapt and overcome and like i

1627
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:34,960
said this too will pass

1628
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:37,690
eventually things have got to go

1629
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,870
yeah i mean there's got to be there's

1630
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,400
got to be things that you can do

1631
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,240
to just pass the time i'm trying to get

1632
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,640
back into old hobbies or like

1633
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:53,359
things that i want to do but didn't have

1634
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,400
time to before

1635
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,880
it's like well i got time you know just

1636
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:57,839
gonna be here

1637
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:01,039
else i've definitely had the crash

1638
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,920
course

1639
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,160
uh because i i basically started doing

1640
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,400
the youtube stuff with the podcast

1641
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,680
uh you know this last year

1642
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,920
since we moved here and i've gotten a

1643
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:12,960
full gamut

1644
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,160
like crash course on you know what not

1645
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,680
to do what to do

1646
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,359
how to present yourself what live

1647
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,240
streams mean like it's insane like the

1648
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,799
growth that has to happen with each

1649
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:26,400
medium

1650
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,400
yeah yeah you're right about that you're

1651
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,920
absolutely right about that

1652
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,760
yeah and it takes time to figure it all

1653
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,960
out and like

1654
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,960
i guess figure out what works for you

1655
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,720
too because it's going to be a different

1656
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,400
answer like what what works for me

1657
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,240
on my show is not going to be the same

1658
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:41,680
thing that works for you

1659
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:44,640
right yeah yeah and i don't you know i

1660
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,039
i'm

1661
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:48,640
i celebrate that like i i love that

1662
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,079
like i don't i'm not interested in uh

1663
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,200
you know listening to or you know

1664
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:58,160
parroting you know other people i'm just

1665
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,880
not

1666
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,920
and you're one of the few that you know

1667
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,319
i can i can watch and laugh with

1668
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:07,680
about you know the hypocrisy and the

1669
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:11,119
uh just the straight

1670
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,319
uh what they call like uh

1671
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,359
it starts with the sea it's the

1672
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:20,480
um you know the fakers the uh cosmic con

1673
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:21,359
artists

1674
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:25,760
blank but yes

1675
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,520
exactly so you know like

1676
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,400
i can i love the fact that we can be in

1677
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,400
two different planes and still kind of

1678
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,280
intertwine what it needs you know and

1679
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:39,440
with all of the

1680
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,359
recent youtube stuff like it makes sense

1681
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,119
that i think

1682
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:48,079
all of the creators that handle the

1683
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,599
charlatans that was the word i was

1684
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:50,640
thinking of

1685
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:54,000
you know have to be more

1686
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,960
focused on you know like uh

1687
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,640
not just calling them out but like

1688
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:02,240
giving ideas

1689
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,599
like better ideas sure yeah i can see

1690
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,039
like the beauty in it

1691
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,559
but it's gonna be a rough road for sure

1692
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,559
yeah yeah maybe i'll just start

1693
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,400
streaming games like everybody else

1694
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,440
i know right i wish i played him my

1695
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,280
my neighbor here's brother doesn't have

1696
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:21,039
a job and he makes like three thousand

1697
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,640
dollars a month on twitch

1698
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,640
so he's my hero because he basically

1699
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,119
plays call of duty every day

1700
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:29,119
nice but you know i'm sure it gets to be

1701
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:30,400
a grind doing that

1702
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,280
like sounds good right like just play

1703
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,119
call of duty every day but when you have

1704
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,799
to play call of duty for five hours

1705
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,799
every day

1706
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:41,440
yeah i've watched some twitch streamers

1707
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,400
more like uh

1708
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:45,039
you know politically bent or whatever

1709
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,240
and i'm like i can't

1710
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:49,440
ingest that much crap

1711
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,559
for that long yeah yeah i wonder about

1712
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,839
these people that make these six hour

1713
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,720
long streams

1714
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,559
i mean we did it once for election night

1715
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,039
that was like a special event not like

1716
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,400
every day you know where these people i

1717
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,480
guess get addicted to streaming and they

1718
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:06,319
become what i call live streamers like

1719
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,359
you know

1720
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:09,039
right i don't want to mention but

1721
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,720
there's one perfect example of it

1722
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:12,400
because this guy will like stream for

1723
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,280
five hours

1724
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,119
and then he'll stream him playing video

1725
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:17,200
games for four hours and then he streams

1726
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,680
himself

1727
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,079
talking about stuff while he's walking

1728
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:22,240
to the store to get drinks you know what

1729
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,799
i mean

1730
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,359
it's like yeah dude put your phone down

1731
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,960
turn the webcam off

1732
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,839
you know and like how are we trusting

1733
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:31,440
like they're in the same

1734
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:35,680
plane in the same straights as us

1735
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,880
like why are we listening to one joe

1736
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:39,839
schmoe

1737
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,760
you know uh opinions that come off the

1738
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,520
cuff i mean that's kind of the beauty of

1739
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:47,200
twitch but it's also like

1740
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:50,720
the detriment that people really follow

1741
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,920
and listen and i i come from a a big

1742
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,640
huge

1743
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,240
background of not deifying anyone like

1744
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,960
i don't i think everyone's human i don't

1745
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,039
put anyone on pedestals

1746
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:05,280
you know it's it's scary in this culture

1747
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,400
in this day and age that

1748
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,000
people are really quick to do that and

1749
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,480
they're really quick to smash you

1750
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,640
oh yeah especially yeah people love to

1751
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,240
smash a guy when he's down too

1752
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,160
especially see a guy come crashing down

1753
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:18,000
that's successful at something or you

1754
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:19,440
know

1755
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,440
yeah yeah yeah so i think like

1756
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:26,880
i was also going to ask you about

1757
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,760
this idea of like stringing chords

1758
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:31,119
together because that's what

1759
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,319
most people do to create songs and like

1760
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,400
do you have like certain ways that you

1761
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,400
prefer chords go together because i'm

1762
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,559
basically just a minor person

1763
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,000
almost every song i've ever written is a

1764
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,240
minor yeah

1765
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,559
yeah yeah there you go you know so i

1766
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:48,319
made a point to write some songs in

1767
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,200
major chords

1768
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:51,440
just because that would be different for

1769
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,319
me you know

1770
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:53,920
and i don't want to keep repeating the

1771
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,119
same thing ad nauseum you know

1772
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,319
i um you know i've like i said like

1773
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:02,640
the the way i keep it fresh or keep

1774
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,680
interested is

1775
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,920
trying different ways of songwriting

1776
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:06,960
i've

1777
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:10,400
you know ascribed chords

1778
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,480
to sigils and rearranged them

1779
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,200
and try to you know just kind of take me

1780
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:19,520
out of the intuitive process and like be

1781
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:20,319
really

1782
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,720
kind of ritualistic with it but i often

1783
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:23,760
find like

1784
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,039
literally it's just like you know

1785
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,280
just picking up the instrument shutting

1786
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,039
everything off and doing it

1787
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,359
you know um yeah i ended up doing this

1788
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,559
thing with keyboard just

1789
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,000
just sort of like start playing around

1790
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:38,000
with chords and putting them together

1791
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:38,480
and

1792
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:44,000
growing up skip james mississippi john

1793
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,359
hurt like all these

1794
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,200
you know delta blues artists were you

1795
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:48,480
know very dear to me

1796
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:51,599
so like i kind of have an inclination to

1797
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,839
claw hammer minor chords right but i

1798
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:56,880
also

1799
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:00,400
country music which

1800
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:04,400
you know i forgive you prior to 1974 i

1801
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,039
would say

1802
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,440
oh yeah my dad i don't know how my dad

1803
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,760
grew up in the 60s he was a huge country

1804
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:11,520
music fan of me and my brother

1805
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,839
hated it and we hated going anywhere

1806
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,039
with him like get

1807
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,880
come on we're going to go to jersey oh

1808
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,799
[\h__\h] we got to listen to [\h__\h] dolly

1809
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:21,279
parton and kenny nelson and [\h__\h]

1810
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:24,560
you know uh you know no uh you know what

1811
01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:25,199
i mean

1812
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,600
yeah yeah so uh terror though yeah like

1813
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:30,560
pre-1974 you know like

1814
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:34,719
yeah will louie nelson and uh gambler

1815
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,080
yeah yeah uh oh no chris jefferson kenny

1816
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,239
rogers yeah kenny rogers the oak ridge

1817
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,159
boys and i hated that

1818
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,640
growing up yeah but when i hear it it

1819
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:46,400
reminds me of my father so i don't

1820
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,759
mind to me it's like a way of yeah it's

1821
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,719
like a

1822
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,279
ancestral magic in a way like learning

1823
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:56,080
these old standards and these

1824
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,199
you know you know whether it's like

1825
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:00,719
blues or country or whatever

1826
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,080
it's like kind of a credence to

1827
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:07,920
like an american tradition of sure

1828
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,600
you know like strange and absurd music

1829
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,600
like even though i don't like girl about

1830
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,880
america but

1831
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,799
it they taught me how to do country

1832
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,400
mover taught me how to do harmonies i

1833
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,679
guess from what

1834
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,679
growing up with my father the oak ridge

1835
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,719
boys like

1836
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:24,319
yeah and that remember the oak ridge

1837
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,239
boys when i first figured out how to do

1838
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,759
like a lower

1839
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:30,480
you know do a lower vocal under the lead

1840
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:31,120
vocal

1841
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,640
and i remember like oh my god that's

1842
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,080
like the oak ridge boys they had that

1843
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,520
guy with the deep voice

1844
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,600
you know they got they have the high

1845
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:39,759
voice they have the mid-tone

1846
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:42,480
so they country music does harmonies all

1847
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,520
over the place

1848
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,359
well and also there's like you know

1849
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:47,600
there's just a uh

1850
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,640
like a plaintive timber about

1851
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:53,120
a lot of the lyrics and just like the

1852
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,080
just

1853
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,199
you know a front on you know

1854
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,920
how they're feeling at the time back in

1855
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:00,480
the day

1856
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,159
now it's just a joke but you know like

1857
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:06,480
back in that era it was very much you

1858
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,000
know garbage i think

1859
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,320
yeah like how long church treat blues

1860
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:12,159
kind of thing you know

1861
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,640
yeah thin dimed all the time yeah

1862
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,480
i love those turns of phrases and

1863
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,239
they're they're like clever

1864
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,440
you know rambles about it and you know i

1865
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:25,040
didn't get right with that until i was

1866
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,520
older

1867
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,280
because yeah i was the same you know i

1868
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:29,199
grew up in cowboy country

1869
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:32,480
you know like i i wasn't a

1870
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:36,000
huge fan of what was popular at the time

1871
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,640
which was like

1872
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,719
george strait and garth brooks and all

1873
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,000
that [\h__\h]

1874
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:43,760
you know and then i would play guitar

1875
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:44,000
with

1876
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:47,840
my um ex-step dad's

1877
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,560
father and he was the johnny cash

1878
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,600
the willie nelson the merle haggard yeah

1879
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,600
and we we'd sing these songs and they'd

1880
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,840
show me like just the

1881
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,400
like intuitiveness and the clever

1882
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:03,840
simplicity

1883
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:07,280
of a lot of the lyrical nature of it

1884
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,400
and yeah it's like it's it sings to me

1885
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:13,600
and it also showed me to circle back

1886
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,560
why we started talking about this major

1887
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:18,480
chord progressions

1888
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,640
yeah like i was like oh i get it and i

1889
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:24,880
do i love old gospel

1890
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:28,960
you know um like really old gospel

1891
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,159
like i love all of that stuff and it's

1892
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:33,760
taught me

1893
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:36,880
a lot about just the kind of gamut

1894
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,159
of spread you know

1895
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,640
that american artists from all different

1896
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,120
walks of life whether it's jazz blues

1897
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,920
you know country rock and roll whatever

1898
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:48,960
like

1899
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,320
it's all tethered together and they all

1900
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,360
kind of kind of

1901
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,640
fit with in you know this little melting

1902
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,760
pot so

1903
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,520
i've always been really appreciative of

1904
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,600
it

1905
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,159
oh i just want to give a shout out to

1906
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,679
genocide for a kind paypal donation

1907
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,520
i appreciate it thank you very much join

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01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,719
aside

1909
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,159
every dollar helps and uh yeah so uh

1910
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:16,400
johnny boy i even put the begging bowl

1911
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,679
out today so uh

1912
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:20,719
so thank you genocide my much much

1913
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:25,600
appreciate it thank you way to go

1914
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,199
let me see though i have to uh

1915
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,000
one second here i mean it's fine i'm

1916
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:33,600
actually gonna get up for a second

1917
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,149
okay so the shout out is truth seekers

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01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:46,239
is sponsored by jonasside the coolest

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01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,719
mod

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01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,120
and just a great humble person and just

1921
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:50,960
an awesome

1922
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:55,440
guy really the best everyone says so

1923
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,960
go ask them did i mention how humble he

1924
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:00,880
is

1925
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,000
thank you good sir okay so

1926
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,440
there you go jonah side absolutely

1927
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,920
yeah i really appreciate that it's very

1928
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:11,040
very nice of you

1929
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,120
and and thank you for your continued

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01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:15,120
support and just some shout outs i see

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01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,159
we have

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01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,360
six designs here uh jeanette

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01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:22,800
f is here v is here

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01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:25,760
yeah i do have an old school afghan and

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01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:26,400
this

1936
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,520
but it's it's nice if it's cold you know

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01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,199
you just kind of pull it down

1938
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,440
this is my favorite seat in the cabin

1939
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:39,360
because the wood stove is right next to

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01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:40,239
me

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01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,360
outside today it it's

1942
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,000
20 out there right now at least that's

1943
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:50,080
what the weather says i'm not sure but i

1944
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,600
think so i went out there to get some

1945
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:53,360
wood earlier and it felt

1946
01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:56,960
less than 20. so

1947
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,840
yeah it is what it is guitars and

1948
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:01,440
cadillacs for sure

1949
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:08,229
so i don't wanna menos and uh martin

1950
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,880
guitars

1951
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:11,440
yeah i wanted to ask you uh for uh did

1952
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,640
you have website

1953
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,320
you sent me some links i could put them

1954
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:16,080
in the description but do you want to

1955
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,679
talk about where people can find some of

1956
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,800
your music

1957
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,480
yeah we want to put you on the spot and

1958
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:22,239
listen to some of it because we could do

1959
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:22,960
that

1960
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,000
like a music video or something

1961
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:31,120
so it won't be just boring oh is that on

1962
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,840
your chat

1963
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,960
where do you think i should get that

1964
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,040
from i cannot chat it to you

1965
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,840
um it's an animated one so it might be

1966
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:38,800
and it

1967
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,520
uses a uh ethiopians ethiopian jazz

1968
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,760
um well that's interesting standards

1969
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:47,600
yeah

1970
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,640
world music stuff

1971
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:55,120
once a while i've used like chat they

1972
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:56,320
stole it back

1973
01:15:03,110 --> 01:14:59,600
i love that because you know uh jazz was

1974
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,120
really about uh the african rhythms

1975
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,400
and the like uh kind of

1976
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,840
european melody and bringing them

1977
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,239
together

1978
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,800
and then africa said screw that we can

1979
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,040
do it better

1980
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,679
yeah absolutely i'm going to share in

1981
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,800
the meantime i'm going to share this

1982
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,159
site that you did send me

1983
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,280
this uh wii the hollowed

1984
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,360
yeah and and can you tell us a little

1985
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:26,640
bit about that because

1986
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,400
you're like this is like a collective

1987
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,239
right yeah so

1988
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:33,440
it's now an international one um

1989
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:36,640
it started as an in-person

1990
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:40,640
uh kind of magical media salon style

1991
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:43,760
collective in portland oregon and

1992
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,600
we would have monthly um

1993
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,880
like public salons where musicians would

1994
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,360
play

1995
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,080
i would interview people you know on

1996
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:55,520
stage

1997
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,840
and that's how pragmatic the podcast

1998
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:58,960
started

1999
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,560
and since moo or i would say in

2000
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,040
halfway i started including people from

2001
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,400
the uk

2002
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,880
from australia for you know from all

2003
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:10,960
over the world that post

2004
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,159
and promote their art and

2005
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:18,480
it's uh it's it's a really big deal for

2006
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:18,880
me

2007
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:22,560
just to kind of boister

2008
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,000
you know friends and different thinkers

2009
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,960
like there's no two people alike it's a

2010
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,440
collective of pure individuality

2011
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,520
of individualism well that's the best

2012
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,440
kind right yeah the only thing that

2013
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:37,840
tethers us is that we all have

2014
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,880
kind of metaphysical leanings about how

2015
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,159
we create or

2016
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:45,360
what we do and that's that's definitely

2017
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,840
interesting

2018
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,199
yeah and it's all over the board

2019
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,800
you're not going to find that you have

2020
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:53,840
like a ton of material here

2021
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,199
yeah um yeah is there a is there but you

2022
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,400
said there was a particular

2023
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,880
music video that you wanted us to share

2024
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,199
i just uh chatted it with you i thought

2025
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,040
this is the first one that came to mind

2026
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:07,520
um because it is the first tracked off

2027
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,960
off my latest record um

2028
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,679
it's not indicative of the entire record

2029
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:15,360
but it is animated

2030
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,480
and yeah i'm proud of it i like it it's

2031
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,440
weird

2032
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,440
i'm having trouble here oh there we go

2033
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:23,280
one second i have to get the link from

2034
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,080
our actual

2035
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,000
youtube live chat it won't let me copy

2036
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,159
it or what from

2037
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,640
one second here yeah i know what you

2038
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,920
want to tell us a little bit about more

2039
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,679
about the song while we get it

2040
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:36,800
get it going um so the

2041
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:40,159
entire album uh i've considered a hyper

2042
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:40,800
sigil

2043
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:45,520
because it's a documentation about my

2044
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:48,560
um the beginnings of my relationship

2045
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,120
with my

2046
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,600
partner you keep saying partner do you

2047
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:53,520
mean partner as in girlfriend

2048
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:57,440
yes yeah i just want to you know

2049
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:02,000
yes my girlfriend um and

2050
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:05,920
she can't this was written uh

2051
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:09,120
we came together halloween night um

2052
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:13,280
in like 2016 uh maybe 2017 i should

2053
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:14,400
probably know that

2054
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:18,080
um and this is like the beginning of the

2055
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:19,600
journey of me

2056
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,280
you know struggling to figure out myself

2057
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:26,159
like how i fit in with her and if we can

2058
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:27,280
be together

2059
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:30,800
and that's kind of the overarching idea

2060
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:33,440
and so night thief was about like well

2061
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:33,920
we can

2062
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,709
well that's interesting i'm trying to

2063
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:40,960
find the link to where you sent it

2064
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,760
somebody's in the uh chat private chat

2065
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:44,880
on streaming oh

2066
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,440
no wonder duh okay yeah now i got it

2067
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,560
okay that makes sense partner in crime

2068
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:54,080
thank you shadow

2069
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:58,239
yeah let's let's get this

2070
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:01,840
get this get this here so that we could

2071
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:02,560
uh

2072
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:10,239
animated video yeah talk to you off air

2073
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,440
about how you do that

2074
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,880
because i'd like to get into doing that

2075
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,120
kind of stuff dakota slim

2076
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:16,719
night thief that's what this is called

2077
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,080
right and we're still going to cite fair

2078
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:20,080
use even though the author is here

2079
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,360
i'm pretty sure we're allowed to share

2080
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,000
this right yes i agree

2081
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,199
to the terms okay

2082
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,159
oh let me make sure i shared audio damn

2083
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,600
it i always do that

2084
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:33,679
i know i do that as well don't you think

2085
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,440
it should be mute audio right stream

2086
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,400
seems better than zoom i'm deeply

2087
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,600
considering when i

2088
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,360
bring back the live streams for the

2089
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:45,520
podcast and stuff i'm gonna

2090
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:48,320
yeah listen i just think for for my

2091
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,719
money

2092
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,880
20 a month i don't worry about anything

2093
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,400
anymore i don't worry about

2094
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,080
i don't worry about google hangouts i

2095
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:55,679
don't worry about yeah

2096
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,800
uh all this different stuff you know

2097
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,600
i spend 20 bucks a month on zoom and i'm

2098
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,800
like why

2099
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,040
yeah you know what i i had a guest who

2100
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,480
was john mcafee

2101
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,679
refused he wanted to do the interview

2102
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,639
through zoom and i said

2103
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,480
no i don't have zoom we could just do it

2104
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,800
through google hangouts that's free

2105
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:17,280
uh and he was like no i only will do it

2106
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:18,000
through zoom

2107
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,280
and i didn't want to lose the interview

2108
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,440
so i had to sign up

2109
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:23,679
right that's like it i tried it out that

2110
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:24,719
whole month and then i went

2111
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:28,080
no i don't think so okay so this is

2112
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,679
dakota slim night thief

2113
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:31,440
let's think okay i'm gonna go stand in

2114
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:38,149
well that was very interesting i like

2115
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,360
the percussion track

2116
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,040
and and uh you know for those of you

2117
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:42,800
that aren't listening on headphones you

2118
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,159
should because you could

2119
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,239
right one thing i like of everything

2120
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:48,000
that i've heard that you produced is

2121
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,120
that

2122
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:52,400
it's just my opinion but most people

2123
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,280
don't use the stereo field enough

2124
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,239
yeah you do you can hear there's

2125
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:00,560
instruments on this side and not on this

2126
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,360
side and

2127
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,040
and some of the percussions bouncing

2128
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:04,560
back and forth between

2129
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,520
left and right field yeah and that's

2130
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,360
really an art form too like i love

2131
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:11,040
mixing like that and i can't i don't

2132
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,800
know most music to me it seems like they

2133
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,400
really really

2134
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,719
everything is pretty equal you know or

2135
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,679
balance it

2136
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,920
and then you don't know yeah or mono

2137
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,040
yeah yeah

2138
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,239
i there's a place for that too but i

2139
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,120
i have a lot of fun uh you know it's a

2140
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:29,280
composition that's the psychoacoustical

2141
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,639
nature of it

2142
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,199
like these are it's meant to be

2143
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:34,960
headphones it's meant to be encased and

2144
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:37,440
listened to i know that asks a lot

2145
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:42,960
of people you know and put on headphones

2146
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,520
pay attention but you know i think that

2147
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,360
upon repeated listenings you'll find

2148
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,880
something different every time

2149
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,800
and that's a lot of the feedback that

2150
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,719
i've gotten from this last record cactus

2151
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,440
crown

2152
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:58,000
that that's the first song of and then

2153
01:22:02,950 --> 01:21:59,679
it gets it gets very different

2154
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,960
every track is very different but um

2155
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:04,880
a lot of people and reviews that i've

2156
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,280
gotten have been like

2157
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,360
i hear it differently every time i

2158
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:11,120
listen to it yeah because there's so

2159
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,400
much going on that i'm sure that you're

2160
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:13,679
gonna that's what i was thinking when i

2161
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,800
was just listening to

2162
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,600
this is that i bet you i would hear it

2163
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,280
if i would hear more instruments

2164
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:20,880
that i'd be able to pick out that i

2165
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,120
missed this one time and you have a lot

2166
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:24,960
of like horns in there too what is that

2167
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:25,840
yeah

2168
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:32,560
uh muslim african

2169
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:36,080
ethiopian jazz oh that's a track

2170
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:39,199
yeah yeah that's the only thing i've

2171
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,560
ever sampled

2172
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,000
i don't know that i've ever gone you

2173
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:44,000
know what this song needs it needs a

2174
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:44,639
muslim

2175
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,000
ethiopian clarinet in it

2176
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,280
you know although one time

2177
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,520
uh somebody suggested and i agreed with

2178
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:56,000
them that one of my songs needed

2179
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,520
uh trash cans and violins

2180
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,520
that's like that's and so we put in

2181
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:03,920
smashing trash cans and violins

2182
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,120
my wheelhouse stephen you want more

2183
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,600
trash cans i got you

2184
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:11,040
yeah and we talked about trading up

2185
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,800
samples but i really have to try to

2186
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,400
organize my mess

2187
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,760
because you know send it to somebody

2188
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:19,120
else to get them to understand what the

2189
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,679
hell

2190
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:22,639
these are or whatever yeah and then you

2191
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,199
know

2192
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:26,320
in like loop

2193
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,920
samples of different instruments and

2194
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,040
stuff i've got a lot of that kind of

2195
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,560
stuff and like some of it i don't even

2196
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,159
remember where it came from so it might

2197
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,239
be problematic using some of that

2198
01:23:39,870 --> 01:23:36,560
i am you know there's a part of me

2199
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:39,880
actually i've kind of have a hidden

2200
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,040
unpublicized side of me where uh

2201
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:45,840
for many years i was actually hired to

2202
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:46,960
make beats for

2203
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,679
local hip-hop artists oh i've done that

2204
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,280
yeah yeah

2205
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:53,840
it was like half was rock guys and the

2206
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,719
other half were

2207
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,239
like black rapper guys who were just

2208
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,320
coming in and that i liked the black

2209
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:59,679
rapper guys because they would come in

2210
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,800
with nothing

2211
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,880
they always had more money than the rock

2212
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,320
guys and they were fun

2213
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:06,560
they would bring in like 40s and you

2214
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,360
know

2215
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,000
and pot and like let's make some beats

2216
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,520
they would just sit next to me and go

2217
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,600
yeah yeah like this or you know what

2218
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,679
totally knew nothing about making the

2219
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:16,880
beats but yeah

2220
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,000
but yeah and like uh but i have a

2221
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,120
kind of a secret project that i

2222
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:24,800
publicized a lot of my

2223
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,800
you know like where it's more

2224
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:31,280
kind of hip-hop oriented or you know

2225
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,000
they're not

2226
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,960
my so original as say you know the

2227
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,000
dakota slim stuff is but like

2228
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,480
you know i was a i was djing too out

2229
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,400
here when we first moved here

2230
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,880
and stuff so i've got i've got the gamut

2231
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:46,560
of that i think it's fun but it's not

2232
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:47,520
something i

2233
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:50,719
necessarily want jonas i said it needed

2234
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:53,920
more cowbell exactly

2235
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,639
you know i i got a prescription

2236
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,480
i got a sickness and the only

2237
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,560
prescription

2238
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,000
that's one of the greatest comedy

2239
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:06,639
sketches ever

2240
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:09,760
yeah yeah so it sounds like you like you

2241
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,960
really have a process

2242
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,840
down which i'm envious of because i have

2243
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,360
to start over

2244
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:17,679
and every time that i do this i go i

2245
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,400
have to

2246
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:21,280
like this is my goals for my new project

2247
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,400
is that i have to do

2248
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,080
things differently that i've never done

2249
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,080
before i have to go beyond my

2250
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:28,320
depth because i'm very big on that it's

2251
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,120
yeah sort of

2252
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,679
talk from got to change yeah talk from

2253
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,040
david bowie that i

2254
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,440
always remember that he said that an

2255
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,520
artist does his best work when they're

2256
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:39,840
slightly beyond their depth and they're

2257
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,560
scared

2258
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,000
yeah yeah you got to be a little bit

2259
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,920
afraid right absolutely that's what that

2260
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,639
album was

2261
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,520
like it's uh that's why i used to put

2262
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,080
out an album every year for

2263
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,199
like 10 12 years and

2264
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:56,159
that last one i was like you know what

2265
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,199
i'm gonna wait

2266
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:59,600
a little bit yeah and it's been a couple

2267
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,239
years

2268
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:03,040
because i've been working on numerous

2269
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,400
other things but

2270
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,719
that was the one i felt that like if

2271
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,800
it's not going to be different from that

2272
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,360
i don't want to do it yeah yeah that's

2273
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,960
kind of where i am and then and then

2274
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,639
also part of me wants to get back to

2275
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,080
doing things

2276
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,159
the old-school way that i used to which

2277
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:19,920
is like a computer and a microphone and

2278
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:20,719
that's it

2279
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,400
hell yeah whatever happens happens and i

2280
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:26,560
don't really want to care about getting

2281
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,080
a real i always had this sort of i guess

2282
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,760
feeling that i needed to have a real

2283
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,000
musician in there somewhere

2284
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,159
right you know and but but lately i'm

2285
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:37,440
going no

2286
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,880
no you don't need it you know

2287
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,480
there's a time and a place for that for

2288
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,040
sure i talked to

2289
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,000
you know sam shadows in the chat i've

2290
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:49,520
talked to her about

2291
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,360
you know the i like vaporwave and what

2292
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,880
these things are and it's it's

2293
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,080
very like computer oriented

2294
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,960
but it's still channels you know it

2295
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:02,639
still works in different ways

2296
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,639
you know different elements from

2297
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,719
you know it's like nostalgia mancy in a

2298
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:09,920
way you know

2299
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,229
i used to go through old vinyl records

2300
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,080
just to find drum breaks and stuff

2301
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,679
and i love doing that because then it

2302
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:21,360
felt like like

2303
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:24,320
you know i didn't just make this song

2304
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,040
myself

2305
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,239
i you know i had like a real drummer

2306
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:30,719
he just didn't know that he played on it

2307
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:37,830
yeah that's one of my most uncomfortable

2308
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,520
uh things in my last band spare spells

2309
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:44,239
which you can still hear because i spent

2310
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:45,520
months and

2311
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,920
late night hours obsessing over this

2312
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:48,719
group

2313
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:51,360
that was my last record or my last like

2314
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:52,880
band record

2315
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,120
or two of them and i had to

2316
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:00,320
yeah i had to just kind of quietly fix

2317
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:03,280
the tempo on some drums and i felt

2318
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:04,800
terrible about it

2319
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:07,280
yeah you know what i once had to cut a

2320
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,159
drummer from an

2321
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,840
entire album and redo the tracks with

2322
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,000
with a drum machine and like and that

2323
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,679
was a production decision it was like

2324
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,679
look this guy is just all over the place

2325
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,280
and the band was like

2326
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:22,800
well then cut him you know i hate that

2327
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,400
but like yeah or like i i used to have

2328
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:28,239
guys that were like i don't want you to

2329
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:30,159
do i don't want you to edit anything i

2330
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,040
play

2331
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:34,159
it's got to be 100 live and i'd go okay

2332
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,080
i'm sorry if you hit a bad note on the

2333
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,239
second verse i'm going to just cut that

2334
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,679
bad note out and put

2335
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,239
the right note in and and half the time

2336
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,760
i would edit stuff and just not tell

2337
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,800
them and they would never know

2338
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,880
so yeah and that's that's that's kind of

2339
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,480
the the morality too

2340
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,800
as like a band leader or the sound

2341
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,239
engineer and everything

2342
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,719
yeah like i want to be transparent you

2343
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:57,760
know and i was

2344
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,400
the problem was that when you work with

2345
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:02,480
other people because of our daily lives

2346
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,440
and everything

2347
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,600
like i only get you for a short amount

2348
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:06,880
of time if you don't

2349
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,080
hit the click then i gotta get

2350
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:12,320
uh working with you know yeah it's not

2351
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:14,080
their fault so much as you know they

2352
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,040
could have just been

2353
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:17,199
having an off day or whatever but that's

2354
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,159
all we've got

2355
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:20,239
but humans are humans too so am i gonna

2356
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,600
make this drummer

2357
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,520
do the same track ten more times until

2358
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:24,960
he gets it right or am i just

2359
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:28,880
going to be i got a quantize button

2360
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:33,040
it's okay you know i've never been

2361
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:34,719
like obviously you can tell from my

2362
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,000
music like i'm not good at quantizing

2363
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,520
good it sounds like everything was in

2364
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,520
time you know i just i love

2365
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,000
because i play it too so i you know i

2366
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:45,840
have all the samples of my

2367
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,800
um cassette recorder and then i kind of

2368
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:50,239
put them in digitally

2369
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,159
record them like straight through a di

2370
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,080
box and then

2371
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,800
i'll sit with a little drum pad and kind

2372
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,000
of play

2373
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,159
so it's still organic a little bit

2374
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:02,239
you're one of those crazy people i once

2375
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,199
had a guy

2376
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:06,000
with a drum machine and he's like okay

2377
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:06,400
uh

2378
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,760
just hook up the drum machine and i'll

2379
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:09,440
play the drum track and i was like are

2380
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,560
you [\h__\h] kidding me

2381
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:12,239
you're good you're gonna play it are you

2382
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,080
[\h__\h] you'll never play it in time but

2383
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,400
to this guy's credit he was like no i i

2384
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:17,920
can do it i love that

2385
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,040
i need give me yeah these little tiny

2386
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:23,280
pads he played and i mean

2387
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:26,400
the full he was playing fields high hats

2388
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,000
open closed hi-hats yeah

2389
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:32,800
tom fills in between when you know when

2390
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:35,440
things change and i couldn't believe it

2391
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,480
yeah duh gel out of oakland

2392
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:41,360
he's like uh he was part of this

2393
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,560
anti-con

2394
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:44,560
which was like a kind of a backpack

2395
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:45,679
hip-hop thing

2396
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,040
in the early aughts and he was

2397
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,760
just an npc master like that was his

2398
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:52,960
thing

2399
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,400
who was real big on those mp3 mpc 3000

2400
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:59,199
or whatever yeah exactly yeah oh and i

2401
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,760
remember

2402
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:02,080
that the band that circuit bends

2403
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:03,760
everything

2404
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:07,280
uh is called octant what is it called

2405
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,880
octant ocean t-a-n-t

2406
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,480
now i have two things to look up and

2407
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:14,239
what was somebody mentioned lou reed's

2408
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:15,920
metal album is that what's that

2409
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,430
is all hell everyone hated it uh i kind

2410
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:25,760
of love it just for the sheer pomposity

2411
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:27,440
of it yeah

2412
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:29,440
it's like uh it's like metallica saying

2413
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,560
anger then like

2414
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:33,199
oh i know right yeah i'm like [\h__\h] on

2415
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:34,239
purple

2416
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,600
terrible i remember

2417
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,360
like when that video came out for saint

2418
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,520
anger it was like what the hell are they

2419
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:44,080
a piccolo snare what are they sublime

2420
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,600
what is this

2421
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:48,080
yeah well you know i remember thinking

2422
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,760
though at least they tried to do

2423
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,600
something different and didn't just do

2424
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:53,760
another typical because they really got

2425
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:54,960
into a formula

2426
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,800
especially after bob rock and then it

2427
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,280
was like all right we're good every

2428
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,639
song is going to be a super simple rock

2429
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:05,440
song now you know yeah they kind of lost

2430
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,760
their

2431
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:07,920
uh i really liked you know master of

2432
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,560
puppets and this sort of symphonic

2433
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,320
sounding thing that they were doing

2434
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:14,080
before that for all

2435
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:17,840
yeah yeah like uh you know i think it

2436
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:20,239
there's a you know the documentary some

2437
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:21,679
kind of monster or whatever

2438
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,080
about an aging popular metal bands still

2439
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,239
trying to go through therapy to figure

2440
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:30,320
out how to make music together again was

2441
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,800
so

2442
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:32,960
revealing i thought that was bizarre

2443
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:35,199
though it was so revealing to me i'm

2444
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:36,159
like i don't

2445
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,440
want that to stop working together yeah

2446
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,440
yeah but where you were millions of

2447
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:43,520
dollars on the line though exactly

2448
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:46,480
exactly like management sort of pushed

2449
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,440
them into doing that

2450
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:48,719
because they weren't getting along and

2451
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:50,800
they weren't oh yeah and of course the

2452
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:52,320
manager wants to keep it going so he

2453
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,159
keeps getting his 20 percent forever

2454
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:56,560
so i guess yeah let's go to therapy

2455
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:57,199
together

2456
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:59,040
i don't know i was in a few bands and i

2457
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,239
don't know if they could have been saved

2458
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:02,080
by therapy but i guess it couldn't have

2459
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,000
hurt you know instead of just like you

2460
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:05,679
said [\h__\h] it we're not working together

2461
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:07,440
anymore [\h__\h] these guys

2462
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:11,520
yeah i also in my the spare spells band

2463
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:12,080
i

2464
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:15,840
you know had a uh uh

2465
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:18,320
like my girlfriend was one of the

2466
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:19,120
members

2467
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,800
not my current one uh yeah that's always

2468
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,480
that's the whole fleetwood mac thing

2469
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:26,639
right you know it's like oh

2470
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,719
don't do it but now i'm doing it

2471
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,960
you know yeah i remember i was in a band

2472
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:34,800
and we got a female bass player

2473
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:37,840
and she was hot too and so like i had to

2474
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:39,840
have a talk with everybody like listen

2475
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:42,560
nobody's allowed to [\h__\h] her nobody even

2476
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:43,840
try to [\h__\h] her

2477
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:46,960
because she plays bass great she shows

2478
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:47,360
up

2479
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:49,600
she looks great everybody at the shows

2480
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:51,040
loves her

2481
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:54,159
don't [\h__\h] her you know yeah

2482
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,000
uh that's a that's a hard conversation

2483
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:58,320
to have so obviously people were like

2484
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:02,000
no screw that no i don't think any of

2485
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:03,199
them had a shot whether they would have

2486
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,239
tried so

2487
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:06,560
you know i hate it like it's so weird

2488
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,600
that we have to have

2489
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:10,000
like or that those conversations need to

2490
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,199
happen like

2491
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:13,679
why can't music just like exist on some

2492
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:14,480
plane

2493
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:17,679
and it can't because it's so like

2494
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,040
internal and you know oh man

2495
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:23,360
sharing music with somebody especially

2496
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,360
with the attraction factor

2497
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,600
you know i can't say the same that i

2498
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:29,040
felt that

2499
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,320
with the last band because i

2500
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:34,560
kind of taught her how to play keyboards

2501
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:36,080
and like brought her in

2502
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:40,719
and stuff but i feel that all your fault

2503
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:42,800
i feel that deeply with you know my

2504
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:44,960
partner now who's just like a

2505
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:47,920
brilliant musician and she's like she's

2506
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:48,639
incredible

2507
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:51,679
and like i'm just enamored i'm like i

2508
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:52,800
don't feel worthy

2509
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:56,000
working with you yeah wow good for you

2510
01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,400
though

2511
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:58,239
like to have that kind of good partner

2512
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,080
and then at least she understands like

2513
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,560
why you'll you know like sit in a room

2514
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:04,480
by yourself for 12 hours because my wife

2515
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:05,760
is more of a normie

2516
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:08,960
you know so she she's like she just

2517
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,920
doesn't get it sometimes like well yeah

2518
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:13,040
actually we've been together for long

2519
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,320
enough now she does she just

2520
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:17,040
calls it my crazy she's like okay go

2521
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,400
work on your crazy

2522
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:21,119
you know i'll see you later or whatever

2523
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,440
but

2524
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:23,679
you know that's that's basically what

2525
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:24,719
she says to me

2526
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,080
he'll work on your crazy yeah people are

2527
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,000
commenting on how bad this saint anger

2528
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,920
album is oh it's terrible

2529
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,080
fighting ballot changer he threw it in

2530
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:36,239
the trash

2531
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:39,360
sam knows what i'm talking about the

2532
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:39,920
snare

2533
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,520
sounds on that album oh my god

2534
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,760
yeah it's funny that like when you're at

2535
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,280
when you have that level of money for

2536
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,960
production that they would let that go

2537
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,880
and go yeah this is good

2538
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:52,880
what are you 311 why are you using a

2539
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,669
yeah hot all female bands are fun six's

2540
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,360
design i agree with you on that one

2541
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,960
so if anybody has any comments or

2542
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,800
questions for us put them in the live

2543
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:08,239
chat otherwise we're gonna wrap things

2544
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,040
up a little bit early uh well early for

2545
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,800
me

2546
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:14,639
i don't want to keep uh pragmatic here

2547
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,239
for too long but i appreciate you coming

2548
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,000
on so that i have a therapy session

2549
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,760
about music in general

2550
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,679
i love that i've been thinking about

2551
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:23,280
these things again

2552
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,560
because i just i i just decided i'm

2553
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:28,560
going to make another album

2554
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:38,950
yeah so you know it was so necessary

2555
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,400
uh i think we're both privy to you know

2556
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:44,719
just live streaming culture and i think

2557
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,520
what

2558
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,360
we've all gone through you know

2559
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:49,119
separately yeah we've had a lot of

2560
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,239
similar experiences

2561
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,560
before traffic tape decks and like i

2562
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,920
remember too when i was a kid before

2563
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:55,360
even four tracks you're right i used to

2564
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,880
take this little tape recorder and like

2565
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:58,719
sing songs and bang on a guitar

2566
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,480
and you know and play it back and go

2567
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,239
oh i'm going to need to practice a lot

2568
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,520
more

2569
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,199
you know but it was fun i always like to

2570
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:09,199
record myself doing these things you

2571
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:09,840
know

2572
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:13,119
you're fun to hear that stuff now i

2573
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:16,080
i have tapes yeah it's actually grueling

2574
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,199
the unfortunate

2575
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:20,159
uh thing about releasing music since you

2576
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:20,480
were

2577
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:23,679
14 is that it's there

2578
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:27,360
forever you know i have i still have

2579
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:31,920
songs that were done on an amiga 1000

2580
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,360
in nineteen 90

2581
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,199
that are still out there on the internet

2582
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,239
lovely luckily under a pseudonym but

2583
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,800
a lot of people know that's me though so

2584
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,920
that's me

2585
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,440
but you know to me it's like well

2586
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:47,280
there's there's a progression for me

2587
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:48,080
though

2588
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,679
i started making music on this amigo

2589
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,400
1000 i had four 8-bit audio channels

2590
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:53,840
so you can have four instruments playing

2591
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,320
at once unfortunately i was terrible at

2592
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,000
singing and i couldn't put vocals in

2593
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,320
there but these are instrumentals

2594
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:02,320
but it's interesting to just see you

2595
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,600
know

2596
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:06,000
see the progression of that's where i

2597
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:06,800
came from

2598
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,840
you know i often liken it to the rainer

2599
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:10,639
maria

2600
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:13,760
rilke book uh letters to a young poet

2601
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,800
it's like the discography

2602
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:19,520
is the point yeah it's everything right

2603
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,159
yeah

2604
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,600
but you can

2605
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,520
i mean and i don't think he's a

2606
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,199
hatefully terrible singer

2607
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,960
but you can hear me kind of find my

2608
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,320
voice over

2609
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:33,520
12 records like

2610
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,480
for a long while and it's just yeah it's

2611
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,880
just it's that vulnerability of

2612
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,639
you know you're watching someone

2613
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:42,880
constantly experiment and change

2614
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,679
and do so that's a good thing to me

2615
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:47,199
exactly i want to give a shout out and

2616
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,840
thanks to

2617
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,679
andrew whitley for a kind paypal

2618
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:51,600
donation of ten dollars this will help

2619
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:52,960
keep the show going and

2620
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,400
going so i appreciate it very much

2621
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:58,400
and uh and i sincerely appreciate your

2622
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,440
continued support

2623
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,520
anybody who wants to there's an about

2624
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:03,119
section you can become a patreon

2625
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,159
supporter uh

2626
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,880
preg magic keats mentioned this uh mine

2627
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:07,840
hack project

2628
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,760
it's just free for if you're on patreon

2629
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,040
it's a dollar a month and you get

2630
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,880
there's three hours and 30 minutes of it

2631
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,080
and i keep forgetting

2632
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,360
keats i'm going to send you the link

2633
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,600
tonight to that so you can check it out

2634
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,360
you can let me know what you think i'm

2635
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:21,280
going to add another half hour to it and

2636
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,880
then i'm calling it a done deal

2637
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,960
because that'll cool almost four hours

2638
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:26,000
of audio

2639
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:29,679
that's i mean i i listen to

2640
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:32,639
you know sleep to meditate to exercise

2641
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:33,360
to

2642
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,109
i'm always gonna tell you i can't tell

2643
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,880
you how happy i am that i'm gonna have a

2644
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:42,639
real stereo here for the first time in

2645
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,440
two years

2646
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,239
i'm gonna go in this shed in 20 degree

2647
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,760
weather to drag these two

2648
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,440
old speakers that i have for the time

2649
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:51,040
being

2650
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:53,600
i love it and you know like i have this

2651
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,320
imac

2652
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:56,239
and this and i had like amplified

2653
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,920
speakers that broke so that

2654
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,760
it's so tinny trying to listen to music

2655
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:01,199
on that is terrible

2656
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,280
oh uh i'm sorry let me uh

2657
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,440
let me uh we have a shout out then this

2658
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:09,360
is from andrew whitley who gave a kind

2659
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:09,920
10

2660
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,000
paypal donation this is a not so super

2661
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,760
chat donation so you can write in the

2662
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,360
note line anything you want me to shout

2663
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,840
out and i of course will say it

2664
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:23,270
he says hi this is andrew whitley on

2665
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,000
youtube

2666
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:26,159
you must say that you find carrie

2667
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:27,600
cassidy sexy

2668
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,199
oh lord i knew i knew her name was gonna

2669
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:33,600
be spoken

2670
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:36,560
i find casey i shouldn't even have said

2671
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,199
her name

2672
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:40,560
know a youtube creator got his whole

2673
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:42,159
channel deleted for having her as a

2674
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:43,199
guest

2675
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,400
i know yeah it was radar i find her

2676
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:48,960
extremely sexy

2677
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,719
do you know but yeah that was like

2678
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:55,040
uh you you had that stream with her and

2679
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,800
then the next day

2680
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:59,119
uh on claude's channel was gone right

2681
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,560
yeah and i feel bad for him i've since

2682
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,560
talked to him he's doing a little better

2683
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:05,280
um because he has through one way or

2684
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:05,920
another

2685
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,480
figured out that he'll get 90 or most of

2686
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,840
his videos back

2687
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:11,679
and and he's appealing this to youtube

2688
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:14,159
because he does think it's a mistake

2689
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,840
he didn't even have one strike so they

2690
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:17,679
didn't even follow their own policies he

2691
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,400
didn't give

2692
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,000
he didn't have one strike and they just

2693
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:22,400
went yeah your channel is deleted and

2694
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,080
and the message that you get is that

2695
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:26,159
this channel was deleted for repeated

2696
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:26,639
and

2697
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,080
serious violations about misleading

2698
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,080
statements or something like that i

2699
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,400
don't know john claude's like

2700
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:37,440
history but you know

2701
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:40,880
uh i don't agree with him platforming uh

2702
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:44,000
that stuff but hey he should be free to

2703
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,239
unfortunately this is a perfect company

2704
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,920
that we're all existing at well

2705
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,920
the scariest thing to me is that now i

2706
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,840
have to worry that like i could get my

2707
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:53,360
channel deleted because of something a

2708
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,760
guest

2709
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:56,000
says and i don't think that's fair you

2710
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:57,520
know and i mean

2711
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,119
you can put up that disclaimer somebody

2712
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,880
told me well you put up a disclaimer the

2713
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,920
views of the

2714
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:03,920
guest may not necessarily reflect but

2715
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:06,080
that doesn't save you from the algorithm

2716
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,400
that

2717
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:09,199
they could just stamp you out yeah you

2718
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:09,920
know

2719
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,199
it's yeah it's gnarly especially in

2720
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:16,000
your line of work and say cw's line of

2721
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:16,800
work

2722
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,080
if you can't be able to speak out

2723
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:24,800
against obvious charlatanism

2724
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,560
then like how do you get deleted over

2725
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:31,760
like obvious charlotte in this one yeah

2726
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:32,159
and

2727
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,600
don't get

2728
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:37,440
i i don't want to get too far into that

2729
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:39,760
but like it's just true like

2730
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,000
the the youtube all this computerized

2731
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
sensor bots don't know the difference

2732
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,600
between me laughing at this

2733
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:49,840
and agreeing with it so that's a big

2734
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,239
that's a big problem

2735
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,480
yeah yeah like i said i broke into the

2736
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,719
youtube kind of thing i've been doing my

2737
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,080
audio podcast

2738
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,639
for a couple years now i've got like 60

2739
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:01,920
episodes

2740
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,000
but just you know got into this whole

2741
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,400
you know live stream youtube community

2742
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:10,320
and like it has been

2743
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:13,440
a brush with like

2744
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:17,360
arduous you know feelings and drama

2745
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:21,119
and and ideas um yeah that'll definitely

2746
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:22,239
keep you busy

2747
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:31,030
uh but like it's not you know i know

2748
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:32,800
it's not intentional and like

2749
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,679
uh you know we in these parasocial

2750
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:37,040
relationships

2751
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,480
have a need and a want for

2752
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,400
human connectivity especially during

2753
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:44,560
this time which we won't speak about

2754
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,480
more well we can speak about it in broad

2755
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:50,080
terms like that that's fine

2756
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,080
i just can't have somebody come on and

2757
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,280
say some of the things

2758
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,400
like this kc says that are completely

2759
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,000
and totally factually inaccurate

2760
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,080
according to most scientists and health

2761
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,480
professionals and then you know that's

2762
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:04,239
what i try to avoid but yeah and

2763
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,679
speaking in general terms like yeah

2764
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:07,040
we're all going through a lot of stuff

2765
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:07,440
and that

2766
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:09,280
lack of connection i think this live

2767
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,360
streaming and these live stream chats

2768
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:13,119
and the panel shows that really helps

2769
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:14,000
because

2770
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,520
you know like this last panel show that

2771
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,360
we did here it's like

2772
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,199
we have people in australia we had

2773
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,880
people in england people in canada

2774
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,719
people in the united states

2775
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:24,800
and and everybody was sort of having the

2776
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:27,280
same feelings of this isolation and this

2777
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:28,400
lack of freedom

2778
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,239
and lack of of finances and it was good

2779
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:35,040
for me to know i'm not alone in the way

2780
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,560
that i feel and other people

2781
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,719
are out there with the same situation

2782
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,760
you know yeah

2783
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,840
but with that you know comes the little

2784
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:43,280
brushes and rubs

2785
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:46,480
of drama oh you know drama

2786
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:49,920
stuff and like you can't i'm i'm almost

2787
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:50,960
grateful for it

2788
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:53,840
because it's instead of knowing these

2789
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,639
people

2790
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:57,040
in the somatic universe in which we all

2791
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,000
exist

2792
01:45:01,189 --> 01:45:00,639
like we're getting a clear and concise

2793
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:01,199
kind of

2794
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:04,560
hyper relationship you know

2795
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:07,840
like uh well i'm i'm meeting you

2796
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,960
we're hanging out i'm joking okay that

2797
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:11,840
joke didn't work

2798
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,840
okay bye i'm meeting you we're hanging

2799
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:16,800
out yeah

2800
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,239
yeah yeah absolutely yeah i love the

2801
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:21,840
live stream thing because when i did the

2802
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,920
audio show i had to edit it to death and

2803
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,600
cutting commercials and all this stuff

2804
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:27,280
and i had a hard time making one two

2805
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,840
hour show a week

2806
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,679
sometimes but when this live stream

2807
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,800
format it's great

2808
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,639
i can do three or four a week and it's

2809
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:36,800
not any more arduous

2810
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,639
or difficult than making the previous

2811
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:39,840
show one a week

2812
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,719
you know i i dig it yeah i you know like

2813
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:44,320
you were saying i had to learn to be

2814
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,679
okay with little things

2815
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:47,280
like sometimes i'm gonna say something

2816
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,800
incorrectly i'm gonna stumble on my

2817
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,159
words

2818
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,239
uh technical problems may happen live

2819
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,159
the mic may go out and like but

2820
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:56,239
i'm getting better at going it's a live

2821
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:58,320
show you're gonna get it warts and all

2822
01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,000
i may misspeak and you can always make

2823
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,920
corrections like earlier

2824
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,679
you know i mentioned that i repeated

2825
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:05,440
some of the things that cw channel was

2826
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:06,639
talking about because he's in my live

2827
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:07,360
checkout and

2828
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,199
those are my talking points and he was

2829
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,360
kind of right but they were also

2830
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,400
young claudes the same day did a video

2831
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:16,320
about his channel getting deleted and

2832
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,440
about the

2833
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:19,520
how the algo doesn't know the difference

2834
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,800
or you know

2835
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:23,040
yeah so you can always correct but

2836
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:24,000
you're right yeah

2837
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:26,159
you have to learn i think you have it's

2838
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,840
just the same thing

2839
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:29,679
this is the same thing for me because

2840
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:31,440
i'm a control freak of

2841
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,440
that the same concept of like get a

2842
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,600
guitar and a microphone and just sing a

2843
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,199
song and play the song

2844
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,960
and learn to be okay with it warts and

2845
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:40,719
all and screw

2846
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:44,000
who doesn't get it yeah i'm a big

2847
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:45,520
believer though aren't you i think you

2848
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:46,719
are too of this

2849
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:49,280
this uh sort of idea like don't worry

2850
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:51,119
about your art too much just make it

2851
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,239
and by the time i'm the process like

2852
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:56,159
yeah by the time people figure it out or

2853
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,600
decide if they like it or not you have

2854
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,800
something else to show them

2855
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,320
you know i just don't want the process

2856
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,400
to end like once something's finished

2857
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,800
i'm done with it and now on to the next

2858
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,040
like i just don't want the process to

2859
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:10,000
end like i've got to keep going

2860
01:47:16,350 --> 01:47:13,199
if i sit and meditate about how

2861
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:16,360
something is you know viewed or

2862
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:19,119
understood or you know for good or for

2863
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,000
bad like

2864
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,080
i'll lose my mind like it'll it'll just

2865
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:24,480
put me

2866
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:26,080
yeah you know that's kind of funny i

2867
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:27,440
feel the same way about some of that

2868
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:27,920
stuff

2869
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:30,400
and and also like the way people

2870
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:31,520
interpret things

2871
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:34,719
i uh once had sort of a

2872
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:37,920
fan like ask me what or tell me what

2873
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:40,080
a song of mine was about and i said yeah

2874
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:41,679
yeah is that i said is that what you

2875
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,639
think it's about and they said yeah and

2876
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:44,080
i go well yeah then that's what it's

2877
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,719
about

2878
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,960
and then and then they knew that i told

2879
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:48,800
somebody else that that song was about

2880
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:50,000
what they thought so my

2881
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,920
thing is it's about what you think it's

2882
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:53,040
about

2883
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,800
absolutely you know they don't want to

2884
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,480
get too deep into what

2885
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,360
you know right but there's that great uh

2886
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:01,440
i think it's like jeff tweedy from wilco

2887
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:02,480
he's like

2888
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,320
you know once you release something it's

2889
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,239
everybody else's now

2890
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,920
yeah yeah you're right about that it's

2891
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:10,080
no longer just yours yeah yeah

2892
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,280
and like yeah i just uh i'm kind of a

2893
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:16,080
a bastard father of my creations where

2894
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,440
i'm like okay

2895
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,639
son have fun with your newsletter yeah

2896
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,480
you know i got i got a four-year-old who

2897
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,080
just learned how to work youtube and

2898
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:25,679
it's so funny it's like

2899
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:27,199
the other day i caught him listening to

2900
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,199
some of my songs and he goes

2901
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,040
this song i don't like this song very

2902
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,800
much dad and then he backs up to a

2903
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,159
different song and he goes this one's

2904
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,480
much better and i go oh well good

2905
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,400
i'm glad that you like that one and not

2906
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:40,320
that one and he calls them daddy songs

2907
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,719
so

2908
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,800
that's interesting to me and and i

2909
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,000
didn't know i don't even know how he

2910
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,080
found them he just found them so that's

2911
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:47,840
weird

2912
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,600
you know like with the podcast that i've

2913
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:51,920
been like the podcast

2914
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:54,880
i just focused on audio was doing it for

2915
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:55,840
a year or so

2916
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,719
and it's still doing great i decided to

2917
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,320
break into youtube because i'm always

2918
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,800
trying to experiment and i was like oh i

2919
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:04,719
you know i went to film school for a bit

2920
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:06,239
i'd like to do more

2921
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,920
like visual oriented things and

2922
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:11,440
isn't that interesting when you're so

2923
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:13,760
used to living in the audio world

2924
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,480
exactly

2925
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,040
yeah and videos yeah you know and then

2926
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:18,960
like having your

2927
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:22,080
your face be culprit

2928
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:25,599
you know part of it yeah and like it's a

2929
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,400
culprit

2930
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:28,639
like uh you know i've had some sloppy

2931
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,440
streams

2932
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:31,679
you know i'm not gonna lie i had to drop

2933
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,119
stream so bad that i took it down so

2934
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:37,920
i've yeah i privated some i had one just

2935
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:38,480
go

2936
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,280
you know i know i just drank 10 beers

2937
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,960
but i think i should get some [\h__\h] off

2938
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:44,639
my chest

2939
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,480
yeah empaths that yeah

2940
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:50,480
yeah i decided i got to do that like at

2941
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,920
least once a month and we'll just make

2942
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:53,520
that the patreon benefits

2943
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,280
exactly you get these drunk you know

2944
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:59,679
because i have like social anxiety and

2945
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,840
stuff like drinking is like a weird

2946
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:03,440
thing with live streams because we're

2947
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:05,199
basically hanging out

2948
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:08,080
and chatting in a bar when there's

2949
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:09,440
drinks around right

2950
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,040
because this is what we live in now so

2951
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:15,440
you know i could have coffee at the

2952
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,599
stream at 2 p.m

2953
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,920
you know or whatever but you know in the

2954
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,080
evening it's like i'm gonna have a beer

2955
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,199
and hang out and yeah oh i try to

2956
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,800
strategically time if i'm going to drink

2957
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,000
during a stream

2958
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:30,400
what i do is i i caffeine for the first

2959
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,679
hour

2960
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,360
and then i get the beers out because i

2961
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:35,199
figure well there's only one hour so max

2962
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:36,480
i'm only going to drink four or five

2963
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,239
beers in that hour

2964
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,560
i won't get too drunk to continue this

2965
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,239
so yeah

2966
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:44,560
for but you gotta strategize the

2967
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:45,360
drinking

2968
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:48,719
these like these

2969
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:51,599
new methods and like a new methodology

2970
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,880
about the medium

2971
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,639
of which we're working in right it's

2972
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:56,400
like songwriting or anything else we're

2973
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,280
like

2974
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,440
well you know i don't want to you know

2975
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,199
pick up a guitar when i'm sauce

2976
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:03,040
why would i want to speak on camera when

2977
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,639
i really i find i

2978
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,400
i think that that that grease is the

2979
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:08,480
wheels for me you know

2980
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,239
i've had drug problems in the past but

2981
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:12,560
i've never used them to create

2982
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,520
really yeah i've always been i've always

2983
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,760
i've always worried that i couldn't if i

2984
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:20,719
didn't you know i mean especially doing

2985
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:21,679
vocal tracks

2986
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:26,080
a couple of beers or something or i just

2987
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:26,800
can't

2988
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,159
seem to get them done you know ambitions

2989
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:32,880
i think i mean like you know bottle of

2990
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,199
wine six bottles of wine

2991
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:37,199
yeah or whatever you wake up the next

2992
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,480
day and you listen to the vocal track

2993
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,040
and you go holy [\h__\h] what was i thinking

2994
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,239
right so sometimes it goes too far

2995
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,840
and you don't get anything done you know

2996
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:48,880
yeah i mean you said that she's

2997
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,599
been straight edged for 12 months hell

2998
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:52,880
yeah congrats

2999
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:56,320
yeah that's a big deal better human than

3000
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,040
me

3001
01:52:01,910 --> 01:52:00,000
i actually i did this 75 hard for for

3002
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,920
like 45 days i didn't make it the whole

3003
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,679
75 days and on that you're not allowed

3004
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,960
to drink

3005
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:07,119
and i could do that when i had that but

3006
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,639
it's just to quit drinking to quit

3007
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:10,000
drinking i just can't do it

3008
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,679
but i think i'm going to do the 75 heart

3009
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:13,520
again but make it to 75 days

3010
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:16,320
it is a 75 heart that is like you have

3011
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:17,440
to work out

3012
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,119
45 minutes a day once has to be outside

3013
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,119
whether it's raining snowing whatever

3014
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:25,360
you have to go jog for 45 minutes even

3015
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,440
just walk for 45 minutes whatever

3016
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:30,320
and then one 45 minute workout inside

3017
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,880
and then a sensible diet and no alcohol

3018
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:36,080
for 75 days and it's harder than it

3019
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:36,639
sounds

3020
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,800
can pick any diet but it has to be like

3021
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:42,880
a good healthy food diet like you're not

3022
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,520
going to eat

3023
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,840
processed food or garbage so for me it

3024
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:47,280
was just like low carb

3025
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,360
fresh as much fresh raw food as possible

3026
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:53,840
and i felt great i was going to say to

3027
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,560
me that's like

3028
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,480
it's part and parcel to you know

3029
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:58,400
customizing your world like

3030
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,400
just bringing intent to every little

3031
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:02,400
thing you're not just shoving things in

3032
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,760
your face or

3033
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,280
well you know i think though that i

3034
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,119
think everybody's drinking more

3035
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:10,080
given the caramel situation first of all

3036
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:12,080
i'm not working anywhere near as much as

3037
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,199
i used to

3038
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:15,520
yeah i mean i just so that's like five

3039
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,639
nights a week

3040
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:18,639
you know i used to even just drive uber

3041
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,000
five nights a week and now i don't do

3042
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,840
that so like

3043
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,840
or you know my business is in the

3044
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:25,679
crapper so i don't have much to do so

3045
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:26,800
it's like

3046
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,510
you know that should be you know like it

3047
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:35,040
should be your experience i guess when

3048
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:36,159
it gets

3049
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:38,080
rough or heavy or like the rough and

3050
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:39,360
tumble is

3051
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:43,760
you know when you're broadcasting things

3052
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:46,239
kind of in that state right yeah yeah

3053
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:46,800
that

3054
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,000
a problem yeah so

3055
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,599
like yeah yeah i've even heard some

3056
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,040
people talk about like

3057
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:55,280
that are in recovery that were streamers

3058
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,480
that like they

3059
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,480
you know they would arrange their

3060
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,880
streams around it like well

3061
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,639
i got to do this stream early so that i

3062
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:04,560
could go get plowed and i kind of do

3063
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,960
that

3064
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:06,719
sometimes i'm like let me get this over

3065
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:08,960
with at two o'clock today so that i can

3066
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:15,830
yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's harm

3067
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,560
reduction

3068
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,960
and i do think there's some merit to the

3069
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:20,719
idea of harm reduction

3070
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:22,639
you know it's different for everybody

3071
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,440
for me it has definitely been

3072
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,599
you know harm reduction that's that's

3073
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,040
that's the idea

3074
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,840
true you know so six of design has

3075
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:33,360
shared all of your links in our live

3076
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:34,239
chat but i'm gonna

3077
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,599
pick sixes i will uh

3078
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,440
also like to invite everybody make sure

3079
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:40,960
that you subscribe to his

3080
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:44,159
youtube channel and and visit his uh

3081
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,679
website where he has just look i like

3082
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,440
to especially when i encounter like a

3083
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:51,040
new artist you know one of my favorite

3084
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,719
things to do is keats is like

3085
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:55,119
listen to everything that they do or

3086
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:55,840
have done

3087
01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:57,760
right especially if i like the first

3088
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,159
thing that i listen to because then i go

3089
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:02,080
let's see what else they have you know

3090
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,320
or what else they have done

3091
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:06,159
and to me that's a fun thing to do and

3092
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:07,520
i'm kind of doing that with you with

3093
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,639
your site

3094
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,960
yeah i'm having a good time so i would

3095
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,480
invite anybody

3096
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:14,719
make sure that you check out this this

3097
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:17,119
website because it's just got like

3098
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:19,679
articles written by different musicians

3099
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,639
and

3100
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:22,320
it was very interesting to me to find

3101
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,760
that

3102
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,280
these things are kind of go in the way

3103
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:27,040
of the you know

3104
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:30,560
no one likes to read anymore it's been

3105
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,239
it's been rough yeah

3106
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:37,119
you know i was working i was freelancing

3107
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,679
for

3108
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,840
you know a few different websites just

3109
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,760
kind of as an online journalist and

3110
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:42,960
stuff when the

3111
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:46,320
you know the p word hit uh

3112
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:49,920
we we're now competing we're like eating

3113
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:50,719
each other

3114
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:54,159
about lessening value as to

3115
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:55,840
you know working remotely and

3116
01:56:02,550 --> 01:55:59,040
freelancing and stuff so it's it's

3117
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,560
it's been rough but you know

3118
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,320
yeah very proud to be the hollywood i do

3119
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:06,719
have a patreon for the podcast brag

3120
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:07,760
magic

3121
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:10,880
uh you can find it on itunes and spotify

3122
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:14,159
and wherever pods are casted and i am

3123
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:15,679
probably something like that where other

3124
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:17,040
pods are casted

3125
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,239
yeah i i really yeah the connectivity

3126
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:22,159
now is great like people can find you so

3127
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:22,960
much easier

3128
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:26,239
than years ago for sure i have an issue

3129
01:56:30,629 --> 01:56:26,639
with

3130
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,639
friends like i just have

3131
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,159
you know too many projects too many

3132
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:34,800
things going on so

3133
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,280
like a website i could say would be like

3134
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:39,679
go to keatsross.com

3135
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:42,960
and you'll find the collective the music

3136
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:45,679
the writing you know my diss info

3137
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:47,920
articles when i was working for them

3138
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:50,159
like you'll find you'll find pretty much

3139
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:51,599
everything

3140
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:53,840
and i just read the hollowed in the in

3141
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:54,960
the live chat

3142
01:57:03,030 --> 01:56:58,639
people can visit that as well yeah

3143
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:03,040
oh no uh six has put my last band on

3144
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:03,440
there

3145
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:07,280
tight you better not

3146
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:10,880
better not start posting my old links

3147
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:12,639
i mean that in a good way that's like

3148
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:15,679
he's oh okay so you want people

3149
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:18,400
yeah he's the mvp of the live chat he

3150
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:19,920
always is in there helping

3151
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:24,560
posting telling people to send me money

3152
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:27,119
that's always good well i want to thank

3153
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:29,040
you for taking the time to do this today

3154
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:30,960
i wanted this to be like a cathartic

3155
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:32,480
kind of thing where we just talk about

3156
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:34,480
music and songwriting and the process

3157
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:36,159
and i think we accomplish that goal and

3158
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:39,199
that is positive man i really appreciate

3159
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:40,000
it i think

3160
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,280
we both know the recent slew

3161
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,440
of just kind of youtube live stream

3162
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:47,360
stuff we both knew

3163
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:52,560
yeah yeah i i heard about some of that

3164
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:54,560
i was in the i was in the chat for some

3165
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:56,560
of that

3166
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:59,520
yeah yeah so actually i'm going to play

3167
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,880
this out with my bumper if you want to

3168
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:02,400
just hold on for a minute while that

3169
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:03,040
plays

3170
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,560
and i'll see you on the other side and

3171
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:06,000
to everyone else i want to thank each

3172
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:07,920
and every one of you for joining us

3173
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:10,560
uh tomorrow there may be a show it

3174
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:11,199
depends on

3175
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:13,760
what i i just can't even tell you today

3176
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:15,119
there was actually a power failure at

3177
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:16,000
the cabin so

3178
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:17,280
i'm a little concerned about that i

3179
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:19,280
almost didn't do tonight's show because

3180
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,239
the power was all for hours today

3181
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,920
there you go he brought the power let's

3182
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:27,360
see what happens tomorrow

3183
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,800
until next time friends my name is

3184
01:58:35,010 --> 01:58:31,280
stephen campion good night and god bless

3185
01:59:25,990 --> 01:58:35,020
all of you

3186
02:00:05,230 --> 01:59:33,570
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